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CecilOne Tue Jul 16, 2013 07:08pm
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Originally Posted by shagpal (Post 900177)
Mike, remember one thing...

When you point the finger as you have done, three of your own fingers are pointing right back at you. If you wanted to hold parties accountable, what seat do you sit?
What is your motive with this? Please make a point, with a corrective suggestion and give up the personals.

shagpal Tue Jul 16, 2013 08:38pm
Are you his guard or attack dog? You seem to arrive on cue every time. Mike seems well equipped to take care of himself.

Nothing personal, I was under the impression mike was high up the food chain in the ASA to do something about what he dislikes, that is all. He comes off as a person within with the authority. It only makes sense that he do something other than to complain.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 900178)
What is your motive with this? Please make a point, with a corrective suggestion and give up the personals.

MD Longhorn Wed Jul 17, 2013 08:15am
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Originally Posted by shagpal (Post 900164)
OK, now I understand, you are putting that emphasis on the umpires. I won't disagree with you, umpires doesn't get a free pass. I am putting far more emphasis on the ASA than most staunch ASA guys can stomach, but that's just me and makes for great diversity of viewpoints.

My point is, the ASA owns its problems like it or not, and taking an oblivious approach and passing the buck doesn't help matters. So many give the ASA a free pass for what is so obviously self made problems.

I sometimes wonder that those that staunchly defend the ASA aren't really the problem.
Seems to me you've created this role for ASA that you expect them to fulfill and then blame them for not fulfilling it. There is no such entity that has the amount of control you seem to expect them to have. It is not ASA's problem when some random umpire wears it's gear to non-ASA events - and expecting them to be able to police that is honestly quite foolish.

Dakota Wed Jul 17, 2013 09:47am
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 900204)
...some random umpire wears it's gear...
:eek:

;)

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:45am
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 900178)
What is your motive with this? Please make a point, with a corrective suggestion and give up the personals.
His point is to Satanize ASA on any platform he can find, but I really don't believe he knows or understands what ASA's function or mission statement or responsibility is.

But does anyone see the irony in the way he has turned the thread?

shagpal Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:02am
I think demonizing the ASA is giving it too much credit.

The ASA has really over-managed some areas, and under-managed others. That doesn't make it evil, it makes it inept.

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 900221)
His point is to Satanize ASA on any platform he can find, but I really don't believe he knows or understands what ASA's function or mission statement or responsibility is.

But does anyone see the irony in the way he has turned the thread?

shagpal Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:13am
Compliance is gained by enforcement. Controlling quality sometimes requires removing irregularities. Doing something makes sense, because doing nothing isn't helping matters. Leadership needs to come from the top down when leadership fails from the bottom up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 900204)
Seems to me you've created this role for ASA that you expect them to fulfill and then blame them for not fulfilling it. There is no such entity that has the amount of control you seem to expect them to have. It is not ASA's problem when some random umpire wears it's gear to non-ASA events - and expecting them to be able to police that is honestly quite foolish.

MD Longhorn Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by shagpal (Post 900227)
because doing nothing isn't helping matters.
There is nothing here that needs to be helped.

shagpal Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:25pm
Really?

OK, I'm coming from a different viewpoint then. If you see no problem, then if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I see it different tho.

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 900232)
There is nothing here that needs to be helped.

TexasUmp Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:45pm
Wow! This has ranged widely. I have been a member of this forum for a long time, read it often, but have never posted before - so here goes nothing.
The first thing I ask my assigner is "WHAT UNIFORM FOR THIS EVENT?" I certainly wouldn't wear just anything I feel like. Doug

CecilOne Wed Jul 17, 2013 01:25pm
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Originally Posted by shagpal (Post 900179)
Are you his guard or attack dog? You seem to arrive on cue every time. Mike seems well equipped to take care of himself.

Nothing personal, I was under the impression mike was high up the food chain in the ASA to do something about what he dislikes, that is all. He comes off as a person within with the authority. It only makes sense that he do something other than to complain.
If you can't answer my question, at least "give up the personals", as above.
:eek: :eek: :( :(

CajunNewBlue Wed Jul 17, 2013 01:26pm
I cant believe I read all 5 pages of this..... :rolleyes:

Manny A Wed Jul 17, 2013 01:33pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 899896)
The WCOS is purely ASA.
So now I'm confused. Sorry I didn't see this earlier in the discussion.

If this tournament is "purely ASA", why wouldn't the umpires wear ASA? And what is the tie-in with ISF? Is there some sort of agreement between the two organizations to conduct this thing? Why isn't the championship "purely ISF"?

shagpal Wed Jul 17, 2013 03:37pm
I just did, or I can ignore you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 900246)
If you can't answer my question, at least "give up the personals", as above.
:eek: :eek: :( :(

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 900248)
So now I'm confused. Sorry I didn't see this earlier in the discussion.

If this tournament is "purely ASA", why wouldn't the umpires wear ASA? And what is the tie-in with ISF? Is there some sort of agreement between the two organizations to conduct this thing? Why isn't the championship "purely ISF"?
For the same reason the Canada Cup is purely Softball Canada, Japan Cup is purely the Japan Softball Assn. They are all sanctioned and played by ISF rules.


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