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Rich Sun Jun 09, 2013 05:20pm

13 illegal pitches in state final
 
WIAA state softball: Mineral Point takes advantage of 13 illegal pitches and finishes pitch perfect : Prep-zone

The losing team (the team with the 13 illegal pitches called against them) was 25-0 going into the final.

3afan Sun Jun 09, 2013 06:10pm

well probably they finally had umpires with the stones to call IPs ... thats usually the case in stories like this

RKBUmp Sun Jun 09, 2013 07:13pm

Reporter apparently doesnt understand softball bases are only 60'.

Worst part of it is, they even called the coach in before the game and warned him they were going to be looking for it. Found some video from last years WIAA softball championship on youtube, but cant find anything on this years game yet. Would be interesting to see what they were calling.

Rich Sun Jun 09, 2013 07:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 896977)
Reporter apparently doesnt understand softball bases are only 60'.

Worst part of it is, they even called the coach in before the game and warned him they were going to be looking for it. Found some video from last years WIAA softball championship on youtube, but cant find anything on this years game yet. Would be interesting to see what they were calling.

There's a video there somewhere. Wait, this is it. Not sure how much of the game they show -- it's just highlights:

Video: Mineral Point wins WIAA Division 3 state softball title : Prep-zone

BTW, the headline originally called them balks, too. :D

RKBUmp Sun Jun 09, 2013 08:10pm

Not the greatest video and the first 2 pitches he called illegal they start the video with the ball half way to the plate. But based on ones later in the video, yes she is sidearm on some of her deliveries.

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 10, 2013 08:58am

"I just hope the umpires do this at the beginning of the year and not in the championship game. That’s what stinks.”

A) Will he really feel this way at the beginning of next season?
B) All you umpires who refuse to call your local superstars for IP's, please take this to heart.
C) All you assignors who stop sending umpires to certain schools because the coach complains that they actually dare to call IP's ... please take this to heart as well.

DaveASA/FED Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:06am

I agree this is an issue. Should never have gotten that far without knowing she was illegal. Should have been called, just like equipment should be checked correctly starting at game 1 of the season. Had a team with 8 bats thrown out at the state finals this weekend, bats they had been using all season without a word from umpires. All 8 were no doubt types of issues that should have been caught. I feel sorry for the team because they have been getting a disservice all year then on possibly the biggest game of thier careers thus far the bat they are used to, been swinging all year lucky grip etc. is taken. Of course who are they mad at, the umpires that let it go ALL season long....nope the ones standing there enforcing the rules correctly!

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 896982)
Not the greatest video and the first 2 pitches he called illegal they start the video with the ball half way to the plate. But based on ones later in the video, yes she is sidearm on some of her deliveries.

And she doesn't help the visual effects by what looked like her shifting her hips to the left during the delivery.

They certainly were no using NFHS mechanics :)

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:48am

The one at 1:38 is definitely illegal. Ditto 2:02

Big Slick Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:38pm

Provided for discussion.

Two screen captures here. The time is shown for each picture.

CecilOne Mon Jun 10, 2013 02:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3afan (Post 896975)
well probably they finally had umpires with the stones to call IPs ... thats usually the case in stories like this

Especially where coaches have direct input to assignments. :eek: :(

nopachunts Mon Jun 10, 2013 02:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Slick (Post 897031)
Provided for discussion.

Two screen captures here. The time is shown for each picture.

Where's the BU in your screen shots? If they are using a three man crew, shouldn't U1 be closer to 1B shoulder of F4? Trying to learn softball mechanics.

Big Slick Mon Jun 10, 2013 03:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 897046)
Where's the BU in your screen shots? If they are using a three man crew, shouldn't U1 be closer to 1B shoulder of F4? Trying to learn softball mechanics.


Although that is an unrelated to the OP, the mechanics by this crew are not standard NFHS (the first play had U3 "rotating home" when U1 chased; there was another play where U1 turned and looked, but didn't chase).

The pre-pitch positioning for U1 with a runner on second is to use either shoulder of F4, where I prefer to use the right shoulder. Your responsibilities (in part) is to cover the pick off at second, and cover first/second if U3 does not chase. Where you choose to position yourself is where you are comfortable.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 10, 2013 05:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by nopachunts (Post 897046)
Where's the BU in your screen shots? If they are using a three man crew, shouldn't U1 be closer to 1B shoulder of F4? Trying to learn softball mechanics.

No. F3's shoulder shouldn't be in the equation.

darkside Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:02pm

Who's the goofball guy wearing the blue shorty shorts, sleeveless shirt and Minnie Pearl hat at 3:08?

That's scary! :eek:


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