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MD Longhorn Tue Jun 11, 2013 08:03am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 897071)
No. F3's shoulder shouldn't be in the equation.

I see no smiley face, so I'm not sure if you were trying to joke.
If not - he didn't say anything about F3's shoulder.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:29am

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897114)
I see no smiley face, so I'm not sure if you were trying to joke.
If not - he didn't say anything about F3's shoulder.

You are correct. I have a tendency to use right and left when designating a shoulder. I misread it.....probably because I see so many umpires, FP & SP that hang near F3 instead of getting their ass over where it belongs, near F4.

CecilOne Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:35am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 897149)
You are correct. I have a tendency to use right and left when designating a shoulder. I misread it.....probably because I see so many umpires, FP & SP that hang near F3 instead of getting their ass over where it belongs, near F4.

And I see some doing the opposite, too lazy to hustle on the steal/PB and in no position to call a pickoff at 1st.

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:49am

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 897151)
And I see some doing the opposite, too lazy to hustle on the steal/PB and in no position to call a pickoff at 1st.

Seen both ... sometimes the same guy at different points in the game or day.

EsqUmp Wed Jun 12, 2013 06:55am

That is why it is stupid to use SHOULDERS as a factor in starting position. Just use 20-30 feet.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:19am

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 897215)
That is why it is stupid to use SHOULDERS as a factor in starting position. Just use 20-30 feet.

From where? BTW, the shoulder is a focal point, not a specific origin from which one measures.

CecilOne Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:27am

How about 1/2 way between bases, 12-15 feet beyond base line, then adjust to runners & fielders.

Andy Wed Jun 12, 2013 01:45pm

It has always been my feeling that the ASA standard training of being on the left or right shoulder of F4 or F6 is assuming that those fielders are playing in the "normal" spot on the field.

As we have all seen, especially in the SP game, those two fielders can be pretty much anywhere but those "normal" positions.

When I train Base Umpire Mechanics, I refer to the standard training, but advise that it may be better to pick a spot, somewhere between 1/2 to 2/3 of the way between bases as a starting point and adjust from there.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:32pm

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 897257)
When I train Base Umpire Mechanics, I refer to the standard training, but advise that it may be better to pick a spot, somewhere between 1/2 to 2/3 of the way between bases as a starting point and adjust from there.

I always suggest staying near and behind the infielder when possible, which should be just about always in the FP game. Something I picked up from HP & BS years ago, if you stand in the hole, you become the target. I also find it easier to avoid a moving fielder if you are within 5-6 feet of the fielder.

Just as with a catcher, just watch the fielder's direction, swing open and let them pass. You don't need to have a fielder start running in your direction and then you both choose to move into each other's path. Or even worse, getting run over by fielder while trying to dodge a batted ball.

EsqUmp Thu Jun 13, 2013 06:00am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 897238)
From where? BTW, the shoulder is a focal point, not a specific origin from which one measures.


The parking lot. :rolleyes:

THE BASE. Obviously it varies depending which runners are on.


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