NYY Girardi Tossed

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

It has nothing to do with ego. It's all about taking sole responsibility for certain situations, which has been ingrained in these guys from when the started umpiring. You open the door by going for help once, you'll subject yourself to repeated demands to check with your partner(s). That's more disruptive to the game.

Rubbish. If there is a reason to go for help, you go. If there is not, you don't.

The old "once you make the call, you stick with the call" bullshit ended a long time ago and any umpire who is still hanging on that as a philosophy, then it is absolutely an ego problem. Umpires who carry it into softball should find something else to do, they are not helping themselves or the game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Rubbish. If there is a reason to go for help, you go. If there is not, you don't.

The old "once you make the call, you stick with the call" bullshit ended a long time ago and any umpire who is still hanging on that as a philosophy, then it is absolutely an ego problem. Umpires who carry it into softball should find something else to do, they are not helping themselves or the game.

Fine, but getting back to the original play (Girardi ejection) and also to the Jim Joyce / Galarraga play -- those are plays where an umpire has no reason to ever ask for help and a manager who demands it should, essentially, be told to go pound sand. Nicely at first, of course.

Has nothing to do with ego.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The old "once you make the call, you stick with the call" bullshit ended a long time ago...

Joyce v. Galarraga happened in 2010.
Meals v. Pirates happened in 2011.
Welke v. Dodgers happened in 2012.

I wouldn't say those qualify for "long time ago".

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Joyce v. Galarraga happened in 2010.
Meals v. Pirates happened in 2011.
Welke v. Dodgers happened in 2012.

I wouldn't say those qualify for "long time ago".

I'm referring to real umpiring and the way it is taught. This belongs in the same closet as the other bullshit "tricks" like:

Keeping on the move and make the coach chase you;

Turn you back to the sun and make the coach look into the sun, move if the coach adjusts to move into your shadow;

Try to cause frustration by basically showing no interest in the coach's comments;

And the old favorite stand-by, starting every statement with "in my judgment" whether it was valid or not.

Man, the old guys did anything they could distract anyone from what could have been an inaccurate, but correctible call.