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HugoTafurst Sun May 19, 2013 03:22pm

I'm with Ives, on this.
I don't care if they are banging balls on buckets.
In fact, I groove on it.

I have never had a coach complain

As far as the rule itself, I don't think it allows us to arbitrarily direct s team to stop.

Why would an umpire want to address it on his own?
Address what?

IRISHMAFIA Sun May 19, 2013 04:49pm

Hilarious, just ****ing hilarious.

Re-read the rule:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a dugout). EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the dugout).

No ejection, no outs, no forfeit, they take away the equipment!!!

This is about the equipment, not making noise or unsportsmanlike conduct. There is no penalty to a player or coach. Could you imagine the chaos if the umpire walks by a dugout and see player using her glove as a seat cushion, or a doning a "rally cap"?

SethPDX Sun May 19, 2013 08:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 894805)
You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

The umpire could end the concert, but it would likely be the last concert the umpire ended at the college level, from what I gather. Besides, if they wanted umpires to address it directly, why have the wording about the coach bringing it to the umpire's attention?

IRISHMAFIA Sun May 19, 2013 09:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 894805)
You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

Yeah, the umpire would come into the dugout and take away their balls!!

And for what, to show that you are a NCAA-clone?

Rich Sun May 19, 2013 09:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 894824)
The umpire could end the concert, but it would likely be the last concert the umpire ended at the college level, from what I gather. Besides, if they wanted umpires to address it directly, why have the wording about the coach bringing it to the umpire's attention?

Sounds like everyone that umpires for that particular organization has to do so scared. Funny that for all the coach ejections I can find on YouTube for baseball, I see none for NCAA Softball -- do coach ejections ever happen?

Adam Mon May 20, 2013 01:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 894826)
Sounds like everyone that umpires for that particular organization has to do so scared. Funny that for all the coach ejections I can find on YouTube for baseball, I see none for NCAA Softball -- do coach ejections ever happen?

If a tree falls in the woods....

IRISHMAFIA Mon May 20, 2013 06:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 894826)
Sounds like everyone that umpires for that particular organization has to do so scared. Funny that for all the coach ejections I can find on YouTube for baseball, I see none for NCAA Softball -- do coach ejections ever happen?

Or maybe it is just because softball umpires and coaches don't think every game is the championship game. :D

EsqUmp Mon May 20, 2013 06:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 894834)
Or maybe it is just because softball umpires and coaches don't think every game is the championship game. :D

There is also a greater mutual respect between coaches and umpires. Coaches also know that their institutions aren't paying them to get ejected. People often lose sight of the fact that most institutions think that it reflects poorly on them when someone on their payroll acts so foolishly, especially in front of a crowd, that they get thrown out.

One thing I can say for certain is that there was at least one DI coach ejected this year ;)

grounder Mon May 20, 2013 07:20am

the devils advocate

speaking ASA. couldnt an umpire consider the banging unsportsmanlike conduct much like negative cheering and invoke rule 10 - 1 power and duties? " the plate umpire shall have the authority to make decisions on any situations not specifaclly covered in these rules"

topper Mon May 20, 2013 08:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 894805)
You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

Looks like you are the only official in the country able to comprehend this rule "correctly" then.

I'll use this "comprehension" for other instances as well. Next time I notice a batting out of order, unreported substitution, or even a runner missing a bag, I'll simply rule on it without being prompted by the opposing team.

EsqUmp - Does the term "protestable situation" mean anything to you?

Rich Mon May 20, 2013 08:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 894834)
Or maybe it is just because softball umpires and coaches don't think every game is the championship game. :D

I've seen some behaviors on televised games where the umpires simply let a coach run amok, too, but I'm sure I could find similar situations in baseball games.

MD Longhorn Mon May 20, 2013 08:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 894789)
What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout
).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach
, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this. :rolleyes:

Love internet umpires who aren't really umpires that read 40% of a rule and then rail on how the real umpires must not be real umpires for not knowing a simple rule...

Did you even read the RED section I bolded? Did you see an opposing coach bring it up? Of course not - it's accepted behavior. The umpires are NOT to initiate this conversation on their own... and no coach is ever going to bring this up.

You related to Big John on the football board? He does the same thing - the reading part of a rule thing and going crazy inappropriately...

topper Mon May 20, 2013 08:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 894845)
I've seen some behaviors on televised games where the umpires simply let a coach run amok, ...

I have too and it's sad.

I've also seen coaches in a baseball game get 3 to 4 minutes of his "money's worth" post-ejection. Is there a rule regarding the time a coach has to leave in baseball?

MD Longhorn Mon May 20, 2013 08:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 894826)
Sounds like everyone that umpires for that particular organization has to do so scared. Funny that for all the coach ejections I can find on YouTube for baseball, I see none for NCAA Softball -- do coach ejections ever happen?

One of the biggest difference I see between baseball and softball is the demeanor of the participants. Baseball players and coaches are primadonnas - if the umpire offends them in any way, they must have a conniption fit that won't stop until the umpire has had enough.

Softball players might say ONE word after a bad call, or give a look after a suspect ball-strike call. Coaches (generally) will come out to DISCUSS things, but you see FAR less dirt kicking idiocy in softball than you do in baseball.

THIS is the reason for less ejections.

HugoTafurst Mon May 20, 2013 08:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grounder (Post 894837)
the devils advocate

speaking ASA. couldnt an umpire consider the banging unsportsmanlike conduct much like negative cheering and invoke rule 10 - 1 power and duties? " the plate umpire shall have the authority to make decisions on any situations not specifaclly covered in these rules"

I suppose you could.:rolleyes:

But I would disagree that it it is unsportsmanlike.
I would also have to ask how this equates with "negative" cheering.


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