Arkansas-Mizzou

[IRISHMAFIA]

3rd inning, 1st & 2nd, bunt on left side

Play goes to F6 covering 3B from F5.

U3 goes to a 45 in foul territory. Luckily, the throw was late and the runner was in safely, but U3 never saw the play as he was straightlined. I wasn't sure at first, but they should a replay from behind 1B which made it quite apparent.

F6 literally stepped back to receive the ball instead of toward the throw. If she had done that, it may not have been such an easy call.

My question is would that be the proper position in NCAA or should U3 still have tried to get a 90 on the throw, which would have brought him to about a 45 in fair territory?

[EsqUmp]

Mathematically, if going 45 degrees fair would give him a 90 degree angle to the throw, then so would going 45 degrees foul.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Mathematically, if going 45 degrees fair would give him a 90 degree angle to the throw, then so would going 45 degrees foul.

As a math/physics major... this is the dumbest thing I've read in weeks.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

As a math/physics major... this is the dumbest thing I've read in weeks.

I'm not sure quite why. To any throw there are two 90 degree angles. And two 180 degree angles (one standing in the path of the throw and one beyond the throw. On any throw to 1st or 3rd one of the 90's will be fair, and one foul and one of the 180's will be fair and one foul. No?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by youngump

I'm not sure quite why. To any throw there are two 90 degree angles. And two 180 degree angles (one standing in the path of the throw and one beyond the throw. On any throw to 1st or 3rd one of the 90's will be fair, and one foul and one of the 180's will be fair and one foul. No?

Think about it. It helps if you draw it out.

If the umpire moves 45 degrees (fair or foul, doesn't matter) to get to a 90 degree angle with the throw, then he was 135 degrees to the throw to begin with. Moving 45 degrees in the opposite direction would make that angle 180 degrees, which would put him in line with the throw.

He would have to move 135 degrees in that opposite direction to be "mirrored" to see the throw from the other 90-degree angle.

Let me give you more of a visual: Suppose the throw was coming from F6 while she is standing on the foul line halfway between third and home. If the umpire only moves 45 degrees in foul territory to get the 90, then he had to have started out 45 degrees from the foul line in foul territory. Moving from that same position 45 degrees towards fair territory would put him on the foul line beyond third base. He would have to move an additional 90 degrees to get the 90 from fair territory.

[IRISHMAFIA]

I know reading comprehension is tough........for a third grader, but I stated the umpire went "to a 45". Silly me thinking that a board of "trained" umpires wouldn't associate that to the base as opposed to "get a 90 on the throw".

Guess there aren't as many well-trained umpires out there as I thought.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by youngump

I'm not sure quite why. To any throw there are two 90 degree angles. And two 180 degree angles (one standing in the path of the throw and one beyond the throw. On any throw to 1st or 3rd one of the 90's will be fair, and one foul and one of the 180's will be fair and one foul. No?

Crap on a cracker, are you kidding me?

45 degrees foul and 45 degrees fair are how far apart???

Answer = 90 degrees (45 + 45)

I now defy you to describe any example in two dimensions where one can be 90 degrees from something, and then move 90 degrees in either direction and somehow still be 90 degrees from that same something. Good luck.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Crap on a cracker, are you kidding me?

45 degrees foul and 45 degrees fair are how far apart???

Answer = 90 degrees (45 + 45)

I now defy you to describe any example in two dimensions where one can be 90 degrees from something, and then move 90 degrees in either direction and somehow still be 90 degrees from that same something. Good luck.

It's what I get for writing early in the morning. But yes, you're definitely right on re-reading it.

[EsqUmp]

Buy a protractor.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Buy a protractor.

Just did. Let's see... yup. 45 degrees plus 45 degrees is 90 degrees on this one too.

If you disagree, maybe you should explain yourself - as your initial post here is mathematically completely wrong.

If 45 degrees from the line is a 90 degree angle on the call, and you move 90 degrees in either direction, you're either at zero degrees or 180. If you mean something else entirely, enlighten us.