Runner retreats - FED rules

[rbmartin]

I know the Batter/runner may not retreat to avoid a tag (softball only). Does the same apply to a runner already on base at the time of pitch?

[grounder]

no

[Manny A]

No, it does not.

When the BR does it, it is a form of interference, which calls for an immediate dead ball and the BR is out. You won't find anything in the rules that says the same for other runners.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

I know the Batter/runner may not retreat to avoid a tag (softball only). Does the same apply to a runner already on base at the time of pitch?

The only time that the batter-runner may not take a backward step in order to avoid a tag - is between home and first. Any other time, it is legal.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

I know the Batter/runner may not retreat to avoid a tag (softball only).

Not completely true... and the untrue part is why you've still got the question -

Does the same apply to a runner already on base at the time of pitch?

Here's what you're missing...

BR cannot retreat TOWARD HOME to avoid a tag. If BR retreats between 1st and 2nd to avoid a tag, it's completely acceptable (and common, really). Similarly, if any other retreats between any bases other than home and 1st, it's completely acceptable as well.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not completely true... and the untrue part is why you've still got the question - Here's what you're missing...

BR cannot retreat TOWARD HOME to avoid a tag. If BR retreats between 1st and 2nd to avoid a tag, it's completely acceptable (and common, really). Similarly, if any other retreats between any bases other than home and 1st, it's completely acceptable as well.

Not to be a smart ass, but in what other direction could a BR "retreat"?

[Rich Ives]

ASU got hosed on that yesterday. I would have protested if I were the ASU coach.

[RKBUmp]

How did ASU get hosed? The runner stopped and took a hop backward as F3 went to tag her.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

How did ASU get hosed? The runner stopped and took a hop backward as F3 went to tag her.

Ooh...Ooh...Ooh....Mr. Kotter!!!!!!

Because she hopped, not stepped backwards

[RKBUmp]

:d

Ok, that was suppose to be a smiley face, dont know why it isnt showing up.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

How did ASU get hosed? The runner stopped and took a hop backward as F3 went to tag her.

2" - BFD. A recovery to balance from the stop, not a deliberate step/hop back.

AND:

12.4.11 When she steps back toward home plate to avoid or delay a tag by a fielder.

As the tag was made essentially at the same time as the miniscule hop how was the rule violated?

And it took a conference of the umpires and only after the Washington coach brought it up? Not at all an obvious call.

And what purpose is served anyhow - protecting incompetent defenses? Runners can do it elsewhere and it doesn't affect play?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

If BR retreats between 1st and 2nd to avoid a tag, it's completely acceptable (and common, really).

OK, color me smarta$$, but that isn't possible.

Once a BR has passed first base, that person no longer has the status of BR. At least, according to the definition.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

OK, color me smarta$$, but that isn't possible.

Once a BR has passed first base, that person no longer has the status of BR. At least, according to the definition.

Perhaps that's the case in ASA. But in FED (and the OP did say this was a FED play) and in NCAA, the BR stays a BR until the play ends.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Not to be a smart ass, but in what other direction could a BR "retreat"?

In Fed, which is what this question was about... the BR can retreat toward 1st from 2nd, or toward 2nd from 3rd... or toward 3rd from home.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

OK, color me smarta$$, but that isn't possible.

Once a BR has passed first base, that person no longer has the status of BR. At least, according to the definition.

I've got my 16-pack Crayolas out... you think that'll be enough?