NCAA assisting batter-runner after missing home plate.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Why is the umpire declaring "no tag"? There is no indication there was a play at any time prior to a possible appeal.

Guessing NCAA wants umpires to announce that an appeal is possible.

See for example 7.1.1.2.5(a).


This is the same organization that wants their plate umpires to signal safe on a dropped third strike and announce "no catch".

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob

Guessing NCAA wants umpires to announce that an appeal is possible.

See for example 7.1.1.2.5(a).


This is the same organization that wants their plate umpires to signal safe on a dropped third strike and announce "no catch".

Though it didn't explicitly say so, the implication was that there was an actual play at the plate, the tag was missed and the runner missed the base.

[EsqUmp]

9.5.3 really has nothing to do with physically assisting a runner. It is intended to prevent a gathering around home plate whereby the defense and the umpires can't even see the runner cross the plate. That's why it is under rule 9 - Defense. Note: This rule doesn't even apply to base coaches or base runners.

[shagpal]

I know a D1 umpire who called the BR out for this very reason (teammates high fiving at home plate prior to touching home) without any prior warning issued on an over the fence HR. That was in a HS playoff game. It was a game tying run turned into an out that cost the team the game. That umpire is still calling D1 ball.

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

9.5.3 really has nothing to do with physically assisting a runner. It is intended to prevent a gathering around home plate whereby the defense and the umpires can't even see the runner cross the plate. That's why it is under rule 9 - Defense. Note: This rule doesn't even apply to base coaches or base runners.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by shagpal

I know a D1 umpired who called the BR out for this very reason (teammates high fiving at home plate prior to touching home) without any prior warning issued on an over the fence HR. That was in a HS playoff game.
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That umpire is still calling D1 ball.

Still calling D1???
I'm surprised that umpire is still calling JV games. LOL

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by shagpal

I know a D1 umpired who called the BR out for this very reason (teammates high fiving at home plate prior to touching home) without any prior warning issued on an over the fence HR. That was in a HS playoff game. It was a game tying run turned into an out that cost the team the game. That umpire is still calling D1 ball.

Is the Fed rule on this the same as NCAA 9.5.3?

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Is the Fed rule on this the same as NCAA 9.5.3?

The FED rule simply says a runner may not be assisted.

Fed does not have a similar rule regarding "touching" a runner before she touches home plate in a home run situation.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by shagpal

I know a D1 umpire who called the BR out for this very reason (teammates high fiving at home plate prior to touching home) without any prior warning issued on an over the fence HR. That was in a HS playoff game. It was a game tying run turned into an out that cost the team the game. That umpire is still calling D1 ball.

I believe the "no contact" rule is absolutely ridiculous.

It is applying a game-effect ruling on an action that has no affect on the game.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I believe the "no contact" rule is absolutely ridiculous.

It is applying a game-effect ruling on an action that has no affect on the game.

I agree 1000%. At most, this is a sportsmanship issue. It's COMPLETELY not a game-play issue. It's absurd to call a player out merely because non-runners happen to be blocking the sightlines of the umpire.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

9.5.3 really has nothing to do with physically assisting a runner. It is intended to prevent a gathering around home plate whereby the defense and the umpires can't even see the runner cross the plate. That's why it is under rule 9 - Defense. Note: This rule doesn't even apply to base coaches or base runners.

FWIW, I'm aware that 9.5.3 was not applicable (for the reason you mentioned). I just mentioned it to make sure no one mistakenly tried to apply it.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob

This is the same organization that wants their plate umpires to signal safe on a dropped third strike and announce "no catch".

And your point is...?