Originally Posted by HugoTafurst (Post 876714)

Am I correct that there is no penalty for team mates or coaches assiting a batter runner after she missed home plate on an out if the park home run?
I'm looking at 12-9.5 & 9-5.3

Originally Posted by outathm (Post 876729)

Players cannot touch the Batter or anyone else until they score. Warning then an out.

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 876877)

So, what happens when the ball is Live?

For example, R1 scores from third on a Sac Fly, but she misses home. The on-deck batter grabs her as she heads for the dugout and sends her back to home plate to touch it.

Is that a violation of 12.9.5? Or after having passed home, is she no longer considered as "actively running the bases"?

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst (Post 876714)

Am I correct that there is no penalty for team mates or coaches assiting a batter runner after she missed home plate on an out if the park home run?
I'm looking at 12-9.5 & 9-5.3

Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 876969)

While not the exact same sitch (no out of the park HR involved), I think Dee Abrahamson's interpretation of the following question (Ask Dee 4/27/12-Pg.55) addresses the question asked in the OP:

12.9.5
BASE RUNNER IS OUT

Question as posed to Dee-
This true-false question was presented at our meeting:
The base runner from third base scores (lead runner) and the base runner from second base (trailing runner) follows her but misses home plate on her slide. The umpire calls "No Tag" and gives the safe sign. The lead runner helps the trailing runner get to her feet. She touches the plate before the tag and is ruled safe. The answer was False. I contend that the trailing runner is not a runner anymore because she is considered safe until the appeal.

Dee's Interpretation-
She is out under 12.9.5
The trailing runner knows she missed home plate so she is headed back to tag it. The catcher has heard the umpire declare "no tag" and is attempting to tag the trailing runner before she can score. But before the play finishes, the trailing runner is illegally contacted by a teammate. When the defense appeals that the base runner missed the base and then was assisted by a base runner who had already scored, she will be declared out under 12.9.5.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 876999)

Why is the umpire declaring "no tag"? There is no indication there was a play at any time prior to a possible appeal.

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob (Post 877016)

Guessing NCAA wants umpires to announce that an appeal is possible. :rolleyes:

See for example 7.1.1.2.5(a).


This is the same organization that wants their plate umpires to signal safe on a dropped third strike and announce "no catch".

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob (Post 877016)

This is the same organization that wants their plate umpires to signal safe on a dropped third strike and announce "no catch".

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 876999)

Why is the umpire declaring "no tag"? There is no indication there was a play at any time prior to a possible appeal.

Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 877054)

9.5.3 really has nothing to do with physically assisting a runner. It is intended to prevent a gathering around home plate whereby the defense and the umpires can't even see the runner cross the plate. That's why it is under rule 9 - Defense. Note: This rule doesn't even apply to base coaches or base runners.

Originally Posted by shagpal (Post 877098)

I know a D1 umpired who called the BR out for this very reason (teammates high fiving at home plate prior to touching home) without any prior warning issued on an over the fence HR. That was in a HS playoff game.
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That umpire is still calling D1 ball.