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Old Mon Oct 08, 2012, 01:19am
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How is the MLB rule phrased as far as "ordinary effort", if at all?

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Old Mon Oct 08, 2012, 09:39am
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How is the MLB rule phrased as far as "ordinary effort", if at all?
As I remember, MLB invented the IFR and others just copied, so should be the same.

BTW, my belief is the rule should be about proximity to bases (ability to double up runners if not caught); not "ordinary effort" judgements.
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As I remember, MLB invented the IFR and others just copied, so should be the same.

BTW, my belief is the rule should be about proximity to bases (ability to double up runners if not caught); not "ordinary effort" judgements.
How would you define that and make the rule better? Huge potential for making this rule a whole lot worse if you're not careful.
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How would you define that and make the rule better? Huge potential for making this rule a whole lot worse if you're not careful.
How about wording from 1936 updated?

If, before two are out, while first and second (or first, second and third) bases are occupied, the batter hits a fair fly ball, other than a line drive, that is caught or lands within the diamond or within XX feet of the diamond.

Diamond and XX to be defined.
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Old Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:25am
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How about wording from 1936 updated?

If, before two are out, while first and second (or first, second and third) bases are occupied, the batter hits a fair fly ball, other than a line drive, that is caught or lands within the diamond or within XX feet of the diamond.

Diamond and XX to be defined.
Hate it.
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Old Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:36am
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How about wording from 1936 updated?

If, before two are out, while first and second (or first, second and third) bases are occupied, the batter hits a fair fly ball, other than a line drive, that is caught or lands within the diamond or within XX feet of the diamond.

Diamond and XX to be defined.
Do you intend to leave out the "attempted bunt" clause?
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Old Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:44am
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Do you intend to leave out the "attempted bunt" clause?
If, before two are out, while first and second (or first, second and third) bases are occupied, the batter hits a fair fly ball, other than a line drive or attempted bunt, that is caught or lands within the diamond or within XX feet of the diamond.

Diamond and XX to be defined.
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"...within XX feet..." is a non-starter.
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How is the MLB rule phrased as far as "ordinary effort", if at all?

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Lots of discussion and arguing and insulting each other over on the baseball board about this call...pretty much par for the course on that board.

Somebody did post the MLB wording of the rule...does not define "ordinary effort".

About a 50-50 split over there on the call being correct or not.
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Lots of discussion and arguing and insulting each other over on the baseball board about this call...pretty much par for the course on that board.
At least I don't see anyone over there putting down people on the Softball board.
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At least I don't see anyone over there putting down people on the Softball board.
Then you are either VERY new or haven't been paying attention....insulting softball umpires is a pasttime over there.
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At least I don't see anyone over there putting down people on the Softball board...today
There, fixed that for ya!
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We had the "Atlanta play"
Well, not exactly.
Bases loaded, one out, high fly just behind 2nd, F6 in position for catch, PU calling IFR.
F6 yields to charging F8 who muffs the catch. R1 & R2 try to advance, throw goes to 3rd, easy out for F5, but she just steps on base and steps away, BU rules safe, offense all confused.
Needed to explain, but no real dissent except runners & base coach saying they did not know it was IFR play, did not hear PU call, even though BU heard it. Just another "being aware" example.

Do you see this often?
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Well, not exactly.
Bases loaded, one out, high fly just behind 2nd, F6 in position for catch, PU calling IFR.
F6 yields to charging F8 who muffs the catch. R1 & R2 try to advance, throw goes to 3rd, easy out for F5, but she just steps on base and steps away, BU rules safe, offense all confused.
Needed to explain, but no real dissent except runners & base coach saying they did not know it was IFR play, did not hear PU call, even though BU heard it. Just another "being aware" example.

Do you see this often?
In rec ball, happens all the time. First off, infielders often fail to catch routine fly balls. And when they drop one after I've called IFF, the runners don't understand that they do not have to try to advance. And fielders don't realize that tags of runners are required to retire them. And the coaches are equally clueless.
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In rec ball, happens all the time. First off, infielders often fail to catch routine fly balls. And when they drop one after I've called IFF, the runners don't understand that they do not have to try to advance. And fielders don't realize that tags of runners are required to retire them. And the coaches are equally clueless.
^^^That, exactly. +1
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