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Dakota Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:28am
"...within XX feet..." is a non-starter.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:13pm
Trying to fix things that ain't broken.

And the "not hearing it" is a load if the umpires provide the appropriate signal and, NO, the runner doesn't have to see it, s/he has coaches who are there to see it for them and direct accordingly.

Again, to protect the offense from the defense, not their own ignorance or ability to perform in accordance with the rules of the game THEY chose.

CecilOne Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 858402)
Trying to fix things that ain't broken.
Just conversation. :cool:

CecilOne Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 858402)
And the "not hearing it" is a load if the umpires provide the appropriate signal and, NO, the runner doesn't have to see it, s/he has coaches who are there to see it for them and direct accordingly.

Again, to protect the offense from the defense, not their own ignorance or ability to perform in accordance with the rules of the game THEY chose.
Just a story, not a complaint. :rolleyes:

CecilOne Mon Oct 15, 2012 05:11pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 858474)
But see, tha
Hard to! :p :)

Manny A Tue Oct 16, 2012 07:57am
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 858350)
Well, not exactly.
Bases loaded, one out, high fly just behind 2nd, F6 in position for catch, PU calling IFR.
F6 yields to charging F8 who muffs the catch. R1 & R2 try to advance, throw goes to 3rd, easy out for F5, but she just steps on base and steps away, BU rules safe, offense all confused.
Needed to explain, but no real dissent except runners & base coach saying they did not know it was IFR play, did not hear PU call, even though BU heard it. Just another "being aware" example.

Do you see this often?
In rec ball, happens all the time. First off, infielders often fail to catch routine fly balls. And when they drop one after I've called IFF, the runners don't understand that they do not have to try to advance. And fielders don't realize that tags of runners are required to retire them. And the coaches are equally clueless.

MD Longhorn Tue Oct 16, 2012 08:22am
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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 858558)
In rec ball, happens all the time. First off, infielders often fail to catch routine fly balls. And when they drop one after I've called IFF, the runners don't understand that they do not have to try to advance. And fielders don't realize that tags of runners are required to retire them. And the coaches are equally clueless.
^^^That, exactly. +1

tcannizzo Tue Oct 16, 2012 03:05pm
Had one like that a couple weeks ago in 12-U Rec.
Bases loaded 1 out.
B hits a soft pop up where F3 had to run in and make a shoe string catch to which she fell down and her glove fell off. Obviously not a catch with ordinary effort.

I sold "NO CATCH" and signaled SAFE.

Well, nobody knew what to do, and there were at least three or more throws to in rundowns between 2nd and 3rd where they chased R2 back to 2B, and then between 3rd and Home, when F2 inadvertently stepped on Home with the ball, R1 OUT and then back to 3B to force out R2 who was still standing on 2B.

Had a rookie partner who wasn't sure what took place, so I had to make the Out call at 3B. :eek:


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