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IRISHMAFIA Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:32am
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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856469)
Really? So if I call Time because the coach wants to make a pitching change, and a runner goes into the dugout to get a drink of water during the break, I can call her out for abandonment?
I hope you have a getaway driver waiting for you :D

Manny A Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:41am
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 856481)
I hope you have a getaway driver waiting for you :D
No kidding. :p

But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!): Since ASA 8-7-U doesn't specify that abandonment can only happen when the ball is Live, is it appropriate to call a runner out for abandoning the base and entering DBT after an umpire had called Time?

MD Longhorn Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:25am
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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856656)
No kidding. :p

But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!): Since ASA 8-7-U doesn't specify that abandonment can only happen when the ball is Live, is it appropriate to call a runner out for abandoning the base and entering DBT after an umpire had called Time?
I would say no.

AtlUmpSteve Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856656)
No kidding. :p

But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!): Since ASA 8-7-U doesn't specify that abandonment can only happen when the ball is Live, is it appropriate to call a runner out for abandoning the base and entering DBT after an umpire had called Time?
Of course not. It also doesn't specify a runner is out if tagged with a ball when off a base can only happen when the ball is live, either. Some things are just assumed as common sense.

Suffice it to say that, in general, only dead ball appeals can generate an out when the ball isn't live. Interesting question for the masses; who can name other instances noted in the rules?

The only one I can think of off hand is the out for playing short-handed when that position comes up to bat. Any others?

Dakota Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 856656)
...But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!)...
That was me, and no, I won't forgive you since you obviously know you are using it wrongly, and intend to continue to do so. :D

Manny A Tue Oct 02, 2012 01:51pm
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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 856664)
Suffice it to say that, in general, only dead ball appeals can generate an out when the ball isn't live. Interesting question for the masses; who can name other instances noted in the rules?

The only one I can think of off hand is the out for playing short-handed when that position comes up to bat. Any others?
I would think that a batter who steps in the box with an illegal bat would be one. Play could still be dead from previous action, and there is no need for the opposing team to appeal if the PU notices the infraction.

MD Longhorn Tue Oct 02, 2012 02:17pm
BOO can result in an out during a dead ball... yeah, I know that's kind of an appeal too, but I don't think that's what you meant when you said, "dead ball appeal". I could be wrong.

Crabby_Bob Tue Oct 02, 2012 08:32pm
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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 856664)
[...]

Suffice it to say that, in general, only dead ball appeals can generate an out when the ball isn't live. Interesting question for the masses; who can name other instances noted in the rules?

The only one I can think of off hand is the out for playing short-handed when that position comes up to bat. Any others?
Not an appeal: The base runners switch positions on the bases they occupied following any conference. ASA 8.7.Y

The bonus is that you get to dump the manager too. Booyah! :D

Rita C Wed Oct 03, 2012 01:37am
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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 856759)
That was me, and no, I won't forgive you since you obviously know you are using it wrongly, and intend to continue to do so. :D
He's not using it "wrongly". He's using it "incorrectly".:p

Rita:D

Dakota Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:41am
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Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 856835)
He's not using it "wrongly". He's using it "incorrectly".:p

Rita:D
Using the adverb "wrongly" may be unusual, but it is not incorrect. Most people in the USA would merely use the word "wrong" as an adverb. But, then, most people (even ad writers for a certain car company) use "begs the question" wrong! ;)

Rita C Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:16am
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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 856883)
Using the adverb "wrongly" may be unusual, but it is not incorrect. Most people in the USA would merely use the word "wrong" as an adverb. But, then, most people (even ad writers for a certain car company) use "begs the question" wrong! ;)
It isn't incorrect to use "ain't" either but it isn't the best choice.

Rita

Dakota Thu Oct 04, 2012 09:43am
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Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 856957)
It isn't incorrect to use "ain't" either but it isn't the best choice.

Rita
"ain't" is slang (or used to be anyway); "wrongly" ain't. ;)

Umpteenth Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:51am
Maybe Rita's just trying to take preventative action. :p

I have yet to understand how a noun became an adjective. :confused:

MD Longhorn Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:58am
This thread has spun off into tangent-land...


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