casual profanity

[CecilOne]

Oh, back to George Carlin again.

[Rachel]

All I know is that people can take their 7 yr. old to a game and not have to have them listen to 35 yer old juveniles spew profanity because they made an out. It works. F--- and S--- are the main things it stops. Other than that it's pretty much ignored.

[blueballs]

Mike are "Sh*t, F*ck, D*mn,and Godd*mn" swear words in DE?

Just wondering because in NJ, NE, IA, and even Madagascar they are!

[Glen G]

Everyone of my games includes in the captains meeting a simple statement.

"Guys I don't put up with any swearing. There is women and kids here and if I hear anything I'll come to you and you better tell them to stop or they'll be gone."

Works real well, 8 out of 10 go over to the usual offenders and tell them to be carefull. Even if it happens I give a little leeway unless it's a loud f*** or loud anything. 9 years and I probably have thrown 10 -12 for cussing OTHER than at me.

I don't care what any of you say. If I have little league games or little kids around NOBODY is going to act like that on my field. I've have numerous parents come up and thank me because they heard my warning after the swearing.

Glen

[Edited by Glen G on Jul 12th, 2003 at 07:30 PM]

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by Glen G

I don't care what any of you say. If I have little league games or little kids around NOBODY is going to act like that on my field. I've have numerous parents come up and thank me because they heard my warning after the swearing.

Glen

[Edited by Glen G on Jul 12th, 2003 at 07:30 PM]

Glen,

I'm sure you are committed to the league and the game and are probably a welcomed volunteer for LL. However, we aren't talking about youth games here. And, please note, it isn't YOUR field, it is the teams' field and game.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA

Glen,

I'm sure you are committed to the league and the game and are probably a welcomed volunteer for LL. However, we aren't talking about youth games here. And, please note, it isn't YOUR field, it is the teams' field and game.

As someone who has been on construction sights all of my life and as someone who had a USMC Drill Instructor at OCS, I can assure you that I can use profanity with the best of them and do not get offended when I hear it under the right circumstances, i.e., construction sights (except when women are present), OCS, and when I am quaffing a few rootbeers with the guys.

Profanity has not place on a sports field, whether it is a youth game or an adult game. I include adult level games in my last statement is because more and more players have their families there watching the game.

I think that it is a sad commentary on society when we tolerate profanity around family in the name of letting off steam.

By the way, I am a fan of George Carlin fan and a anti-fan of Jerry Falwell.

[Glen G]

Oh the LL slam, how big of you. You are wrong. I am responsible for all actions on MY field ( which are all adult games) when I walk on. It is the timid umps that let that type of behavior occur when the real reason the softball players are there is to play ball not be offensive to anyone.

Oh please correct me oh wise one. If they swear at you is that acceptable?

If it is not acceptable what gives you the right to say when and where they can swear?

Glen G

[Edited by Glen G on Jul 14th, 2003 at 05:21 PM]

[CecilOne]

Can we stop the women and kids and aged excuse? If it's offensive, it's offensive to them and to gentlemen, including players and others.

[SC Ump]

Originally posted by Glen G
Oh the LL slam...

Though the response wasn't addressed to me, I just wanted to say that I didn't take it as a slam. I do LL and when I'm there, I also do not allow the kids to "OH &*%#" when they pop up.

Why? Because when they hired me to umpire for their organization, they asked me not to.

When I have a slow pitch softball game with the "Hooter's Construction Workers" vs. the "AFL/CIO Beer Drinkers", they can say "that #*$*ing call is a piece of ^@%!" and I don't care.

Why? Because when they hired me to for umpire their organization, they asked me not to.

I have not yet purchased a softball field, nor am I in charge of an organization that owns, leases or borrows one. I find it best not to walk out on the field thinking it belongs to me.

When I am there, I recieve money (even my LL assignments) and thus I am working for them. My tasks are to be an impartial mediator and I am not there to enforce my views of what is or is not considered religiously moral/immoral or socially proper/improper.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by SC Ump

Though the response wasn't addressed to me, I just wanted to say that I didn't take it as a slam. I do LL and when I'm there, I also do not allow the kids to "OH &*%#" when they pop up.

Why? Because when they hired me to umpire for their organization, they asked me not to.

When I have a slow pitch softball game with the "Hooter's Construction Workers" vs. the "AFL/CIO Beer Drinkers", they can say "that #*$*ing call is a piece of ^@%!" and I don't care.

Why? Because when they hired me to for umpire their organization, they asked me not to.

I have not yet purchased a softball field, nor am I in charge of an organization that owns, leases or borrows one. I find it best not to walk out on the field thinking it belongs to me.

When I am there, I recieve money (even my LL assignments) and thus I am working for them. My tasks are to be an impartial mediator and I am not there to enforce my views of what is or is not considered religiously moral/immoral or socially proper/improper.

Thank you.

It was not a slam at LL. I've been there and done that. I worked LL ball on the Philadelphia Naval Base 30 years ago while stationed there.

If it wasn't for umpires who do the volunteer work for LL, many kids would not get the opportunity to play. When I mentioned Glen's welcomed commitment, it was meant as a probably deserved compliment. Sadly, he didn't take it that way.

When in the path of a fielder returning to their position or a batter or runner to the dugout or a player moving to the plate to bat. I yield to the game participants as we all should. It is their game and their field. We are only there to help them provide a level playing field for an athletic contest.

A sports official is a person who should be in charge and control of an athletic contest, not in ownership.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by Glen G
Oh the LL slam, how big of you. You are wrong. I am responsible for all actions on MY field ( which are all adult games) when I walk on. It is the timid umps that let that type of behavior occur when the real reason the softball players are there is to play ball not be offensive to anyone.

Oh please correct me oh wise one. If they swear at you is that acceptable?

If it is not acceptable what gives you the right to say when and where they can swear?

Glen G

[Edited by Glen G on Jul 14th, 2003 at 05:21 PM]

If you had been paying attention to the conversation and the subject line of this thread, you might realize we are not talking about someone making disparaging comments to or about another person.

Consider yourself corrected.

[Dakota]

Funny graphic, Mike!

Anyway, I liked the response, above, that explained handling profanity (either enforcing a ban or ignoring it) from the perspective "they asked me to." IOW, we, as umpires, call the game according to the rules and guidelines of the organization putting on the contest.

It is no more "my" field than the game is called according to "my" rules. It is their field, and their rules.

The umbrella ASA organization for greater MN (excludes the cities of Mpls and St Paul) has a casual profanity rule. Rachel, who responded to this thread earlier, calls for that organization, as do I.

So far, I have issued 2 warnings to coaches and one "look" at 18U players for profanity (coaches were the S-bomb in response to missed plays; player was the F-bomb, as a response to a teammate who was giving her some grief about missing a fly ball.) Otherwise, the rule works well, to whatever extent the existance of the rule can be credited with profanity-free games. It's not a big deal to enforce. And Jerry Falwell never comes up.

Understand, I am talking about youth ball. I don't know how well it works for adult ball.

[Glen G]

Mafia man says:

When I mentioned Glen's welcomed commitment, it was meant as a probably deserved compliment. Sadly, he didn't take it that way.

"probably deserved compliment" What in the world does that mean? More indecision, no wonder they have the run of "their" field.

Mafia man says:

When in the path of a fielder returning to their position or a batter or runner to the dugout or a player moving to the plate to bat. I yield to the game participants as we all should. It is their game and their field.

I don't have rabbit ears but will continue to have the game played as a recreational game, not an opportunity to have others vent their childish frustrations out on innocent spectators and players.


Mafia Man says:

A sports official is a person who should be in charge and control of an athletic contest, not in ownership.

Well said, "In charge" were the key words. When I say my field I'm not the type that makes up my own rules etc. I strictly follow park district rules which each and every one of them state NO FOUL LANGUAGE!


ps:

I don't need or desire to "stand corrected by you!"

Glen G

[Edited by Glen G on Jul 15th, 2003 at 05:34 PM]

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by Glen G
Mafia man says:

When I mentioned Glen's welcomed commitment, it was meant as a probably deserved compliment. Sadly, he didn't take it that way.

"probably deserved compliment" What in the world does that mean? More indecision, no wonder they have the run of "their" field.

Mafia man says:

When in the path of a fielder returning to their position or a batter or runner to the dugout or a player moving to the plate to bat. I yield to the game participants as we all should. It is their game and their field.

I don't have rabbit ears but will continue to have the game played as a recreational game, not an opportunity to have others vent their childish frustrations out on innocent spectators and players.


Mafia Man says:

A sports official is a person who should be in charge and control of an athletic contest, not in ownership.

Well said, "In charge" were the key words. When I say my field I'm not the type that makes up my own rules etc. I strictly follow park district rules which each and every one of them state NO FOUL LANGUAGE!


ps:

I don't need or desire to "stand corrected by you!"

Glen G

[Edited by Glen G on Jul 15th, 2003 at 05:34 PM]

Glen,

You might want to check out this site.

http://www.gmcgriff.com

[whiskers_ump]

Mike,

Excellent Call. Heck he and BDB will get along great.

glen