A New One for Me

[MountieSB]

Let me preface this by saying I'm learning!

ASA rules: One out, R1 on first base. BR hits a little bloop in front of F3 that hits the ground (ground ball). F3 scoops the ball, touches first base. R1 (who was off the bag getting her lead on the pitch) returns to first base thinking F3 caught the ball in the air. F3 tags R1 who was standing on the bag at the time F3 tagged her.

1. What's the call?
2. Does the call differ in NFHS rules (or any other set of rules for that matter)?

Thanks!

[RKBUmp]

Batter/runner out, runner standing on 1st is safe. Same for all rulesets.

[MountieSB]

Here was the call on the field (I was a true spectator, not an umpire, coach, or parent - completely a disinterested party):

Both R1 and BR were called out.

Because I was just watching and didn't hear the explanation on the field, after the game I asked the umpire why there were two outs (because I'm still learning). He said with less than two outs, on a ground ball hit anywhere, a runner on first base (R1) has to advance to second base - she has no option. Once R1 achieves second base, she could return to first base by touching the bases in reverse order. His answer was confident, so I didn't question further.

[RKBUmp]

And he would be wrong. The runner is forced off of 1st base, however, the moment the batter/runner was put out the force is removed and the runner is free to return to 1st base. Nothing in the rules requires the runner to advance all the way to 2nd before they can return to 1st.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MountieSB

Here was the call on the field (I was a true spectator, not an umpire, coach, or parent - completely a disinterested party):

Both R1 and BR were called out.

Because I was just watching and didn't hear the explanation on the field, after the game I asked the umpire why there were two outs (because I'm still learning). He said with less than two outs, on a ground ball hit anywhere, a runner on first base (R1) has to advance to second base - she has no option. Once R1 achieves second base, she could return to first base by touching the bases in reverse order. His answer was confident, so I didn't question further.

Isn't it interesting that people who are so wrong also seem to be so confident?

[MountieSB]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Isn't it interesting that people who are so wrong also seem to be so confident?

Story of my life, man.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Isn't it interesting that people who are so wrong also seem to be so confident?

Or else maybe they would try to learn.