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To that point, what Rule is this clarifying? OK, so game management is not a Rule, but what Rule would support doing this? And, what ever happened to the time-honored DMC? We have all seen "unusual" things that turn into "chaos". But if they don't violate a rule, then who are we to say? Are we opening Pandora's box here? I see a train wreck with this. Quote:
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The player who is "to bat last this inning" is the one who is up when the game-winning run is scored. How does coach know who that will be? Heck, if they are Vis, and they score 12 runs, how does coach know that right now? So then, coach interprets that to mean the B9 belongs on 2B because the umpires said so, or at least thought so. You then call BOO and coach says, but you told me to put her there!!!! Now what do you do? That's a helluva good question because "something unusual just occurred chaos is about to ensue. ![]() I would have worked it this way: Coach: "What am I supposed to do?" Me (chuckling internally): "Coach, Who is due to bat first this inning"? Coach: "It is #42 in the 9 spot" (B9) Me: "Then #00 in the 8 spot goes to 2B" (B8) Now, if B9 ends up on 2B, then I have no problem enforcing BOO, if properly appealed.
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Seems to me the umpire is giving them by the book advice. Your point is taken however, it is a good idea to not end the conversation there but to make sure that they agree who the lead off is and the person they send to 2B is listed one position above them in the lineup. |
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Except....
Except it is not that player who should be placed on 2nd. The player who "should be up" is the lead off. The player that is in front of that player is the one placed on 2nd.
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Also, SWP, if the leadoff is up, the TB runner is not the FLEX.
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Yeah of course, who is up to go to second. Sorry it was unclear the way I wrote it the first time.
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In which instances is the batter what is scheduled to bat last in the inning different from the "last batted out"? I have umpires in my organization who explain to the coaches that last batted out should go to second base. I tell them it's not last batted out, it's player scheduled to bat last in the inning. They say "same difference". I cringe.
How do I effectively explain the difference to these numbskulls?
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Dave, yes, the book uses those words and ump quoted correctly.
When I posed the question about what rule are we clarifying, I was actually referring to the sitch from the OP. Calling time on ball 3 is supported by what rule?
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