WCWS and Flex entry

[clev1967]

I am betting on the actual line up card, Locke was listed as P and Traina as the DP which would have made the move legal.

[Jake26]

Originally Posted by clev1967

I am betting on the actual line up card, Locke was listed as P and Traina as the DP which would have made the move legal.

Hmm, I think you are right. GT has Traina as the P and Locke as the DP, but that may reflect the "game conditions" and not the actual lineup that was turned in. The defensive postion that ESPN ascribes to each batter as they come to the plate could easily be the same case, actual people on the field rather than the lineup card.

In fact, the more I think about it, this has to be the answer. Case solved.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Jake26

Hmm, I think you are right. GT has Traina as the P and Locke as the DP, but that may reflect the "game conditions" and not the actual lineup that was turned in. The defensive postion that ESPN ascribes to each batter as they come to the plate could easily be the same case, actual people on the field rather than the lineup card.

In fact, the more I think about it, this has to be the answer. Case solved.

Yep it is.
8.2.6.3, I just couldn't see the forest through the trees last night when I was looking through the rule book.
The lineup was presented as we saw it on Game Track, Murphy (in all likelihood) made the change during the pre-game meeting at HP, after the PU accepted the lineups as official and asked both HC's if they had any changes at this time. PU recorded & reported the change, but we don't see the 'transaction' it on Game Track.

Thanks for opening my eyes.

[Andy]

Makes sense and that is what had to have happened.

I can't see the umpires at this level overlooking something like that.

We have a local JUCO coach that uses this same strategy....good hitting pitcher listed as DP on the lineup, then at the pregame, indicates that the DP is going to pitch.

[Jake26]

Originally Posted by Andy

Makes sense and that is what had to have happened.

I can't see the umpires at this level overlooking something like that.

We have a local JUCO coach that uses this same strategy....good hitting pitcher listed as DP on the lineup, then at the pregame, indicates that the DP is going to pitch.

Be careful, Andy. The scenario I believe you are describing is not quite what happened at the WCWS.

Since the DP can play any defensive postion and no substitutions are involved unless the Flex is no longer playing defense, Coach Murphy only has to report to the PU that the DP (Traina) is going to pitch, and his P (Locke) is going to play offense only - a reporting required because there are position changes involved. This approach gives him a "free" pinch runner when he uses the Flex to substitute for a DP that is on base, Traina in this case. He can only run for her once, but he does not have to use one of his stable of pinch-runners from the bench.

In the scenario you described (I think), the strong-hitting pitcher is listed as the DP and the weak-hitting pitcher is listed as the Flex. After the lineups are official, the DP substitutes for the Flex and pitches. Then if she gets lit up, the coach can reenter his Flex and keep the strong bat in the lineup.

Sorry if I misread your scenario, and probably too much information anyway.

[DaveASA/FED]

Originally Posted by Jake26

Be careful, Andy. The scenario I believe you are describing is not quite what happened at the WCWS.

Since the DP can play any defensive postion and no substitutions are involved unless the Flex is no longer playing defense, Coach Murphy only has to report to the PU that the DP (Traina) is going to pitch, and his P (Locke) is going to play offense only - a reporting required because there are position changes involved. This approach gives him a "free" pinch runner when he uses the Flex to substitute for a DP that is on base, Traina in this case. He can only run for her once, but he does not have to use one of his stable of pinch-runners from the bench.

In the scenario you described (I think), the strong-hitting pitcher is listed as the DP and the weak-hitting pitcher is listed as the Flex. After the lineups are official, the DP substitutes for the Flex and pitches. Then if she gets lit up, the coach can reenter his Flex and keep the strong bat in the lineup.

Sorry if I misread your scenario, and probably too much information anyway.

NOt sure why you would want to do this, run the FLEX for the DP, since the DP is listed as the pitcher she can have a courtesy runner and there is NO substitutes (or the DP leaving the game with only one reentry). THis is assuming the CR rules is the same in NCAA.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

NOt sure why you would want to do this, run the FLEX for the DP, since the DP is listed as the pitcher she can have a courtesy runner and there is NO substitutes (or the DP leaving the game with only one reentry). THis is assuming the CR rules is the same in NCAA.

That's what you get for assuming...NCAA rules do not allow for a courtesy runner.....

[Jake26]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

NOt sure why you would want to do this, run the FLEX for the DP, since the DP is listed as the pitcher she can have a courtesy runner and there is NO substitutes (or the DP leaving the game with only one reentry). THis is assuming the CR rules is the same in NCAA.

Oops, already noted. Text deleted by poster.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

NOt sure why you would want to do this, run the FLEX for the DP, since the DP is listed as the pitcher she can have a courtesy runner and there is NO substitutes (or the DP leaving the game with only one reentry). THis is assuming the CR rules is the same in NCAA.

No CR in NCAA.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Jake26

Be careful, Andy. The scenario I believe you are describing is not quite what happened at the WCWS.

Since the DP can play any defensive postion and no substitutions are involved unless the Flex is no longer playing defense, Coach Murphy only has to report to the PU that the DP (Traina) is going to pitch, and his P (Locke) is going to play offense only - a reporting required because there are position changes involved. This approach gives him a "free" pinch runner when he uses the Flex to substitute for a DP that is on base, Traina in this case. He can only run for her once, but he does not have to use one of his stable of pinch-runners from the bench.

In the scenario you described (I think), the strong-hitting pitcher is listed as the DP and the weak-hitting pitcher is listed as the Flex. After the lineups are official, the DP substitutes for the Flex and pitches. Then if she gets lit up, the coach can reenter his Flex and keep the strong bat in the lineup.

Sorry if I misread your scenario, and probably too much information anyway.

Jake...didn't mention anything about the FLEX being a second pitcher in my post. Coach does exactly what Alabama coach did...defensive change of DP to pitch, listed pitcher will hit only, FLEX is listed at another defensive position.

[Jake26]

Originally Posted by Andy

Jake...didn't mention anything about the FLEX being a second pitcher in my post. Coach does exactly what Alabama coach did...defensive change of DP to pitch, listed pitcher will hit only, FLEX is listed at another defensive position.

Thanks for heading me in the right direction. There a couple of coaches in my area who will do as I described, so I wondered if you were speaking of the same thing.