Controversial Call (No Call)?

[tcannizzo]

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

Tony, you never mentioned making a safe call on this play but I am assuming you did.

Line 4: "R1 coming home and slides under the tag at the plate. SAFE!"
That was meant to indicate that I called her Safe.

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

The runner who has now scored has no reason to move any further until the fielder gets off her. Since she should have heard your safe call she knows this. So for her to get impatient and to shove the catcher to the ground to me sounds completely unwarranted and could certainly be considered as MC.

Right, except for get the heck off of me. I was thinking the same thing that R1 was - What are you doing "Catch"?

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

If it was an 18U game do you think you would have ejected the runner? I may be reading between the lines in your post but it sounds as if maybe you didn't want to eject simply because she is a 10 year old. Sure they are cute but they can be tossed!

If this happened a couple weeks ago, I would have tossed the 10 y/o immediately. But with these recent college game discussions, I am really confused about defining MC/USC. I have a few cases in mind that would leave no doubt, but this one I have to classify as more gray area. Maybe I am over-analyzing it.

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

Having said that, having not decided at the time to eject it sounds like your game management with the moments following this incident were excellent. Apparently the game continued and all was well.

One of the factors I used was that how to best keep control of the rest of the game. And this may have been my overriding decision point.
Eject someone, and then there may be retaliation, and possible further ejections.

A berth was riding on the game and I hoped that I sent a loud and clear message to players, coaches and even parents.

[MrRabbit]

If she was safe you should have called time long before you did.

These are 10 year old's and I have had them tell me that they were told by the coach to hold the tag until umpire called the runner out.

So nothing else, even calling her safe is going to replace that thought in her mind.

But on the way you handled it good job.

[tcannizzo]

Again, I wrote something confusing because nobody is getting it.

As soon as she slid under F2, I called a Sell Safe, even pointing to the runner getting under the tag.
There was no question about that call. I just didn't emphasize it enough in the message board.


Just out of curiosity, when is it that you think I finally called Safe? No really, I am curious about it.

[shagpal]

perhaps it's because the subject of your title of this thread you started implies "no call". it suggests to readers that you made NO CALL.

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

Again, I wrote something confusing because nobody is getting it.

As soon as she slid under F2, I called a Sell Safe, even pointing to the runner getting under the tag.
There was no question about that call. I just didn't emphasize it enough in the message board.


Just out of curiosity, when is it that you think I finally called Safe? No really, I am curious about it.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

If she was safe you should have called time long before you did..

Play was at the plate, there is still a batter/runner to deal with. What were they doing? If they are still advancing or off base, time should not be called.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

If she was safe you should have called time long before you did.

Why? We don't call time every time someone is safe.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

If she was safe you should have called time long before you did.

These are 10 year old's and I have had them tell me that they were told by the coach to hold the tag until umpire called the runner out.

So nothing else, even calling her safe is going to replace that thought in her mind.

But on the way you handled it good job.

What reason was there to call time ?
(unless you were going to call interference and then you would have to bang BR, right?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

What reason was there to call time ?
(unless you were going to call interference and then you would have to bang BR, right?

No, Hugo ... you can only call time unnecessarily and then call interference if F2 had gotten up and pegged R1 in the face with the ball.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No, Hugo ... you can only call time unnecessarily and then call interference if F2 had gotten up and pegged R1 in the face with the ball.

Damn.... I'm still working on the new mechanics.
Bare with me.

[UmpireErnie]

Sorry Tony, guess I should slow down when reading the OP! Yes, you state you made a safe call. My bad.

Obviously I was not there to see the play; I promise I am NOT saying you were wrong with the no-call followed by the warning. All evidence to the contrary, the game finished without further incident.

I agree, F2 had no reason to continue to hold the tag but that in and of itself is not a reason for the runner to shove her. IMO some of the no-calls made in the NCAA tournament are going to lead to more players at lower levels pushing the MC envelope; and that opinion is only reinforced by your comment that until recently you would have ejected without a second thought. The no-call on a player who slid in to home and was tagged out then well after the play while getting untangled from F2 obviously and deliberately shoved F2 to the ground stands out as a play where an ejection was warranted.

So I guess that while I am not saying your no-call was wrong; I can certainly say I would have supported your decision to make an ejection if you had.