Interference Question

[nsc_wa]

It is not interference if a runner intentionally hits a deflected batted ball with their elbow while running the bases.

Is this question T or F? Also, where exactly in the rule book does this talk about this situation. I know Rule 8, but which section?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by nsc_wa

It is not interference if a runner intentionally hits a deflected batted ball with their elbow while running the bases.

Is this question T or F? Also, where exactly in the rule book does this talk about this situation. I know Rule 8, but which section?

The section on interference.

[nsc_wa]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The section on interference.

You're a real comedian!

[umpire12]

i think mbcrowder was too busy trying to be clever that he didnt realize that rule 8 doesnt have an 'interference' section. it does however have a 'runner is out' section..try that...rule 8-7......also check out RS#33 for more info

[nsc_wa]

Originally Posted by umpire12

i think mbcrowder was too busy trying to be clever that he didnt realize that rule 8 doesnt have an 'interference' section. it does however have a 'runner is out' section..try that...rule 8-7......also check out RS#33 for more info

Thanks umpire12! I had found RS#33 after the wise guy made his comment and answered the question. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction though!

[cteben]

umpires are wise guys.

Originally Posted by nsc_wa

Thanks umpire12! I had found RS#33 after the wise guy made his comment and answered the question. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction though!

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by umpire12

i think mbcrowder was too busy trying to be clever that he didnt realize that rule 8 doesnt have an 'interference' section. it does however have a 'runner is out' section..try that...rule 8-7......also check out RS#33 for more info

I didn't want to give the whole thing away. Telling him that his answer was in the "the runner is out" section answers the question.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I didn't want to give the whole thing away. Telling him that his answer was in the "the runner is out" section answers the question.

I talked to Brad about this today, and I brought up the point that when veterans debase newbies, they leave, and never come back, thus costing him potential members to the paid site. Be an asset, not a debit.

[umpire12]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I didn't want to give the whole thing away. Telling him that his answer was in the "the runner is out" section answers the question.

i do understand your position but i think just pointing him in the right direction without evaluating his work ethic is more productive to new umpires than subtle hints. the rule book can be very daunting to even veteran umpires.lets show him what he needs to know then wean him out of this stage once he gets a grip on the layout of the book.

[Umpteenth]

nsc_wa, really, the best thing you can do for yourself is to get into the rule book. Daily. Twice a day. Pick a section and read it. Put it away. Later in the day, read a different section (or maybe the same one again).

Also, when you have a specific question, such as these from the test, go to the Index section of the 2012 ASA Rule Book. You may have to look in as many as 3 or 4 different areas before you find your answer, but you will probably find it. And, that gets you in the book.

Now, after having researched a particular question and being still unsure, come here and create a thread. State the situation, and provide the stance you have come to based on the Rule Book. Then, the rest of the forum can help you out.

[MD Longhorn]

I honestly don't think I was abusive, rude, or out of line with this guy. I see it called a pissing match above - it never was (from my side at least). There were seven or eight posts from the same guy, all asking test questions. I, for one, am not going to just answer someone's test questions - for the reasons I stated.

My honest goal here (on multiple threads) was to lead him to the answer(s). I don't believe I'm at fault for him getting belligerent over that. Perhaps others have expressed that viewpoint more eloquently than I - but if poster thought I was out of line in the manner that I tried to help, I have no problem not helping, especially after being asked specifically by him not to help anymore.

Mike's chinese fishing proverb completely applies here, as does my statement that if we answer 1 question, he learns 1 thing - but if he reads the relevant section of the book, he learns 100. If I can help a new guy learn 100 things to make him a better umpire, I'm more than willing. I don't think anyone should waste their time teaching just one though.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I honestly don't think I was abusive, rude, or out of line with this guy. I see it called a pissing match above - it never was (from my side at least). There were seven or eight posts from the same guy, all asking test questions. I, for one, am not going to just answer someone's test questions - for the reasons I stated.

My honest goal here (on multiple threads) was to lead him to the answer(s). I don't believe I'm at fault for him getting belligerent over that. Perhaps others have expressed that viewpoint more eloquently than I - but if poster thought I was out of line in the manner that I tried to help, I have no problem not helping, especially after being asked specifically by him not to help anymore.

Mike's chinese fishing proverb completely applies here, as does my statement that if we answer 1 question, he learns 1 thing - but if he reads the relevant section of the book, he learns 100. If I can help a new guy learn 100 things to make him a better umpire, I'm more than willing. I don't think anyone should waste their time teaching just one though.

However, there are times when the direct approach is best. I agree with your end result of getting him to think for himself and to get into the book.
But to tell someone new to read the book is not the approach I would take at the beginning. Think about how you learned math or any other subject that was new to you. The teacher didn't come in and say read the book and then ask questions. She taught you the fundamentals and then stepped you through examples. I'm a software engineer. I'm not going to tell you to read a book on Embedded Development your first day of software engineering.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

nsc_wa, really, the best thing you can do for yourself is to get into the rule book. Daily. Twice a day. Pick a section and read it. Put it away. Later in the day, read a different section (or maybe the same one again).

Also, when you have a specific question, such as these from the test, go to the Index section of the 2012 ASA Rule Book. You may have to look in as many as 3 or 4 different areas before you find your answer, but you will probably find it. And, that gets you in the book.

Now, after having researched a particular question and being still unsure, come here and create a thread. State the situation, and provide the stance you have come to based on the Rule Book. Then, the rest of the forum can help you out.

Get the Case Book. It will help your understanding. It will clarify what the rule book is trying to say. It comes on a CD and you can get it from the ASA web site.