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MD Longhorn Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re (Post 833043)
Whether it is at work or doing games, I just hate "Gotcha". I do not believe the spirit of the game should allow this. Who cares if she writes Boomer or Jessica, the correct last name and the number. I know who she is and so do both coaches. I know the rules and will call them accordingly. But I still think it's wrong.
Blue, "Boomer" is her middle name. And her ID's back in the locker room...

MNBlue Mon Mar 19, 2012 01:40pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 833064)
Blue, "Boomer" is her middle name. And her ID's back in the locker room...
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8-3-2 Inaccurate Lineup Card. (See also Appendix B.) A lineup card is considered inaccurate when eligible starting players and substitutes are listed incorrectly, such as an inaccurate or omitted first name, number or position.
Middle name is of no consequence.

MNBlue Mon Mar 19, 2012 01:48pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 833063)
Considering that the actual spots on the field played by the various positions (other than pitcher and catcher) are not defined - how in the world could this be enforced? What's the penalty? What if I move my CF into the infield (or my 2B out to the outfield) and use an unorthodox lineup for a batter for whatever reason?

Blue: Coach - you switched your 2B and SS without telling me.
Coach: That's where we put our SS - on the right side of the bag.
There is a small amount of common sense associate with the rule:

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8-1-2 A defensive player is entitled to change to a different defensive position at any time. The plate umpire shall report the change to the official scorer, team scorekeepers, and to the opposing coaches and scorekeepers, before the next pitch.

EFFECT—Failure to report defensive changes renders the player unreported. (See Rule 8-3-3.)

A.R. 8-1-2: If the second baseman is located closer to first base than the first baseman who is playing in and away from the foul line for a slapper, they are not considered to have exchanged defensive positions. However, if the catcher and first baseman exchange positions, they are considered to be unreported substitutes if the umpire is not notified.

MD Longhorn Mon Mar 19, 2012 02:15pm
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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 833078)
There is a small amount of common sense associate with the rule:
Like I said, I get the catcher (especially since the CR rule requires that you know who that is). Any other positional anomalies seem entirely unenforceable to me, given the lack of a definition of those positions. Every other rule relies on definitions to form it's backbone. There simply is no definition of 7 of the positions.

Skahtboi Mon Mar 19, 2012 03:01pm
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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 833077)
Middle name is of no consequence.
It isn't??? I go by my middle name. My legal stuff is all in my middle name. (except, for some reason, my medical insurance.) If I were to be listed on that line-up card, it would use my middle name.

MNBlue Mon Mar 19, 2012 03:23pm
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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 833089)
It isn't??? I go by my middle name. My legal stuff is all in my middle name. (except, for some reason, my medical insurance.) If I were to be listed on that line-up card, it would use my middle name.
It would be interesting to hear how Dee would rule on that specific scenario.

I'm not defending the rule, I'm just telling you what it says.

topper Mon Mar 19, 2012 03:26pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 833083)
Like I said, I get the catcher (especially since the CR rule requires that you know who that is). Any other positional anomalies seem entirely unenforceable to me, given the lack of a definition of those positions. Every other rule relies on definitions to form it's backbone. There simply is no definition of 7 of the positions.
CR? In college softball? I must have missed the memo.

The rest of your point is now invalid.

MD Longhorn Mon Mar 19, 2012 03:32pm
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Originally Posted by topper (Post 833092)
CR? In college softball? I must have missed the memo.

The rest of your point is now invalid.
Meep.

EsqUmp Mon Mar 19, 2012 07:22pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 833063)
What if I move my CF into the infield (or my 2B out to the outfield) and use an unorthodox lineup for a batter for whatever reason?
That's addressed by Rule 6.5.4. "A player should not be considered to have changed defensive positions if she does not exchange her fielding position with another player but only temporarily stations herself at a different location on the field (for example, a fourth outfielder or fifth infielder)."

txtrooper Mon Mar 19, 2012 08:48pm
It does not say legal first name within the rule, just first name; that could be the name you choose to use as your first name I suppose. The rule does allow for the first name to be omitted in written lineup as long as they are printed on the cards roster without penalty.

topper Mon Mar 19, 2012 08:50pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 833093)
Meep.
Sorry, but I haven't the slightest idea what "Meep" is. Someone please enlighten me.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Mar 19, 2012 09:20pm
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Originally Posted by txtrooper (Post 833129)
It does not say legal first name within the rule, just first name; that could be the name you choose to use as your first name I suppose. The rule does allow for the first name to be omitted in written lineup as long as they are printed on the cards roster without penalty.
What's this? The ASA guy raising a common sense argument? :rolleyes:

What is the purpose of listing names on a line-up card? It is to identify the individual. As long as the name listed is unique when associated with the last name and number, I don't see a problem.

MD Longhorn Tue Mar 20, 2012 08:00am
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Originally Posted by topper (Post 833130)
Sorry, but I haven't the slightest idea what "Meep" is. Someone please enlighten me.
My bad.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Mar 20, 2012 05:09pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 833266)
My bad.
Your bad what? Okay, your bad, but what does it mean? :confused: :rolleyes:

tcannizzo Tue Mar 20, 2012 06:05pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 833422)
Your bad what? Okay, your bad, but what does it mean? :confused: :rolleyes:
Would that be you're bad?


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