NCAA lineup
 

NCAA umps,
How often have you had to enforce the inaccurate lineup rule?

Never.

Never

My daughters juco coach got busted twice in one game for not reporting position changes.

Nada

Once. Coach put nickname of player instead of first name. Other coach called her on it. We called her out after she got a hit. Offensive coach was obviously irate.

We sent the scenario to Dee and she said we ruled correctly.

A friend of mine had the coach put 51 instead of 15. Other coach caught it and waited for an opportune time to bring it up.

RKBump: You have to report position changes?

MNBlue: If I put "Cassie Smith" instead of "Cassandra Smith" on the lineup it's a violation?

Is the softball world that nuts?

And folks wonder why I "ignore" the issues on the SB side of our league.

Actually, she put Boomer instead of Jessica.

NCAA requires defensive position changes to be reported.

Why does this not surprise me.....and I'm sure he had a lot to say about it....

As stated, NCAA requires all defensive position changes to be reported. I am told it is for statistics keeping purposes so that the propper players get credit for put outs, errors etc.

Coach was just being dumb, they were run ruling the other team and he just started moving girls all over the field and not reporting it.

Once again Im sure you know exactly who Im talking about. And yes, he had plenty to say.

Whether it is at work or doing games, I just hate "Gotcha". I do not believe the spirit of the game should allow this. Who cares if she writes Boomer or Jessica, the correct last name and the number. I know who she is and so do both coaches. I know the rules and will call them accordingly. But I still think it's wrong.

While I tend to agree, the coaches are suppose to fill out the lineup card accurately and as required by the rules. If they choose to hand in an inaccurate lineup and get called on a "gotcha" it is their own fault and they will know better next time.

No, just the NCAA softball world- where the inmates run the asylum (that is, the coaches have a heavy influence on the rules committee and regularly push through goofy stuff like this, usually because on some perceived slight they suffered during the regular season).

Considering that the actual spots on the field played by the various positions (other than pitcher and catcher) are not defined - how in the world could this be enforced? What's the penalty? What if I move my CF into the infield (or my 2B out to the outfield) and use an unorthodox lineup for a batter for whatever reason?

Blue: Coach - you switched your 2B and SS without telling me.
Coach: That's where we put our SS - on the right side of the bag.

Blue, "Boomer" is her middle name. And her ID's back in the locker room...

Middle name is of no consequence.

There is a small amount of common sense associate with the rule:

Like I said, I get the catcher (especially since the CR rule requires that you know who that is). Any other positional anomalies seem entirely unenforceable to me, given the lack of a definition of those positions. Every other rule relies on definitions to form it's backbone. There simply is no definition of 7 of the positions.

It isn't??? I go by my middle name. My legal stuff is all in my middle name. (except, for some reason, my medical insurance.) If I were to be listed on that line-up card, it would use my middle name.

It would be interesting to hear how Dee would rule on that specific scenario.

I'm not defending the rule, I'm just telling you what it says.

CR? In college softball? I must have missed the memo.

The rest of your point is now invalid.

Meep.

That's addressed by Rule 6.5.4. "A player should not be considered to have changed defensive positions if she does not exchange her fielding position with another player but only temporarily stations herself at a different location on the field (for example, a fourth outfielder or fifth infielder)."

It does not say legal first name within the rule, just first name; that could be the name you choose to use as your first name I suppose. The rule does allow for the first name to be omitted in written lineup as long as they are printed on the cards roster without penalty.

Sorry, but I haven't the slightest idea what "Meep" is. Someone please enlighten me.

What's this? The ASA guy raising a common sense argument? :rolleyes:

What is the purpose of listing names on a line-up card? It is to identify the individual. As long as the name listed is unique when associated with the last name and number, I don't see a problem.

My bad.

Your bad what? Okay, your bad, but what does it mean? :confused: :rolleyes:

Would that be you're bad?

First, I have had a few inaccurate line-up cards over the years, the most recent was yesterday. Typically a wrong number, sometimes wrong positions. I dont' think it is that uncommon (these are coaches we're talking about :))

Second, when the nickname was used in the batting order, was it a pre-printed card with full names at the bottom? If so, I have no violation. I have the proper last name and number in the BO so I don't need anything else; it is superfluous and can be ignored. If not, then I don't know who she is so if the nickname isn't another form of her name then it's inaccurate.

Nicknames can be tricky
 

Seaman Buckman: The name's Buckman.
Seaman Nitro 'Mike': Uh... Nitro, hi.
Seaman Buckman: Interesting nickname, what's your real name?
Seaman Nitro 'Mike': Nitro.
[pauses]
Seaman Nitro 'Mike': I'm working on a nickname, though.
Seaman Buckman: Oh yeah?
Seaman Nitro 'Mike': Yeah. Listen to this... Mike.

I'll tell you tomorrow but he's the pitcher.

(Meep = "My bad")

+1:)

He STILL fusses at me about this.... I just tell him that she was smarter that he is....Hell, I TOLD him to check it after the first one.....