Errant throw / Safety base

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by BretMan

You're not looking hard enough.

NFHS baseball rules offer the double base as a "state adoption" and covers it's usage in their baseball rule book.

They may allow it, but I haven't seen it.

It's a shame that they invented a rule that was needed only because runners weren't taught how to run correctly. I think that poor coaching should NOT lead to rules changes.

[x-tremeump]

because runners weren't taught how to run correctly.

Teaching this ASA Rule is easy, getting the Umpire to think like this is hard.
Great threads.

[MrRabbit]

Do not see what the problem is....

The book makes the double base one large base both in ASA / NFHS.

Also tells us how to can it.

Until it is changed... play ball.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

Do not see what the problem is....

The book makes the double base one large base both in ASA / NFHS.

Only for a play on a runner, not a BR.

[MrRabbit]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Only for a play on a runner, not a BR.

Question, Did I miss something?
We were talking about an errant throw pulling F3 on to the orange bag and the batter runner being out?
Doesn't that fall in to the one big bag category with a batter runner?
8-2-M-5

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

Question, Did I miss something?
We were talking about an errant throw pulling F3 on to the orange bag and the batter runner being out?
Doesn't that fall in to the one big bag category with a batter runner?
8-2-M-5

Just semantics, I guess...

The term "one big bag" is generally used to explain how the double base is regarded on plays where the batter-runner has already reached/passed first base (ie: has transformed from "a batter-runner" to "a runner").

You could put it this way:

After the batter-runner has reached/passed first base, then the double base always becomes "one big bag".

On the initial play against a batter-runner, almost all of the time it's treated as two separate bases, with just a couple of exceptions. Sometimes it's treated as "one big bag".

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Just semantics, I guess...

The term "one big bag" is generally used to explain how the double base is regarded on plays where the batter-runner has already reached/passed first base (ie: has transformed from "a batter-runner" to "a runner").

You could put it this way:

After the batter-runner has reached/passed first base, then the double base always becomes "one big bag".

On the initial play against a batter-runner, almost all of the time it's treated as two separate bases, with just a couple of exceptions. Sometimes it's treated as "one big bag".

Yeah, pretty much the way I was thinking. Rabbit, that is where I was in my response. We teach it becomes one big bag for a runner, so I tend to avoid providing the same status for a rare exception involving a BR.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

Do not see what the problem is....

The book makes the double base one large base both in ASA / NFHS.

MOST of the time, this statement is untrue. If you don't see what the problem is, you're part of the problem - please reread the rule or head to a clinic. (No offense intended)

[x-tremeump]

[QUOTE=mbcrowder;829040]MOST of the time, this statement is untrue. If you don't see what the problem is, you're part of the problem - please reread the rule or head to a clinic. (No offense intended)

Sarcasm at its best, Thanks

[MD Longhorn]

[QUOTE=xtreamump;829240]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

MOST of the time, this statement is untrue. If you don't see what the problem is, you're part of the problem - please reread the rule or head to a clinic. (No offense intended)

Sarcasm at its best, Thanks

I have been guilty of sarcasm here, no doubt. But not in this post. I was trying to be clear and to the point. Seriously - if you don't see what the problem is in the scenario described, you are contributing to the problem itself. The problem here is not the rule - it's that a decent number of umpires are ruling this incorrectly - creating inconsistency - hence those that don't get it are the REASON for the problem.

Where's the sarcasm?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Little biased aren't we?

How about coaches teach players how to play first base?

F3 has become a hiding place for hitters with little speed or range, in softball AND baseball. Even the pros don't play the position as well as they should for all the money they make.

Runners have a right to the base. Defender should never have their foot on the top of the base, so if the runner steps on the fielder's ankle or foot, you have a serious UC issue.

[MrRabbit]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Little biased aren't we?

How about coaches teach players how to play first base?

F3 has become a hiding place for hitters with little speed or range, in softball AND baseball. Even the pros don't play the position as well as they should for all the money they make.

Runners have a right to the base. Defender should never have their foot on the top of the base, so if the runner steps on the fielder's ankle or foot, you have a serious UC issue.

I have no problem with coaches teaching, which would be nice to see.
But am I mistaken in thinking they are the ones that ask for the double base?