ASA Play

[IRISHMAFIA]

Bottom of 7th, tied score. Runnerish R1 on 2B, 1 out. R1 is off with the pitch. Catcher is anxious and lunges forward across the plate in an effort to get the pitch quickly in an attempt to throw out R1.

The hurried throw gets past F5 and R1 scores the apparent winning run. How is the Catcher's Obstruction handled?

[NCASAUmp]

Offensive coach gets to choose: award batter 1st base and advance runners if forced, or take the result of the play.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Offensive coach gets to choose: award batter 1st base and advance runners if forced, or take the result of the play.

agree with the 'slow pitch' guy

[Crabby_Bob]

Did the catcher prevent the batter from hitting the pitch? Not apparent from the OP. Game over. Otherwise, immediate dead ball by 8.2.D3.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob

Did the catcher prevent the batter from hitting the pitch? Not apparent from the OP. Game over. Otherwise, immediate dead ball by 8.2.D3.

I took the OP to mean that the umpire's determination of Catcher's Obstruction was correct and without dispute.

And in ASA, 8-2-D-3 does not exist, nor would it apply in this case (since we don't call the BR out on catcher's OBS).

If you meant 8-1-D-3, then you bring up something I overlooked - the play should've been dead from the moment the catcher crossed home plate to hinder the batter.

[Dutch Alex]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Offensive coach gets to choose: award batter 1st base and advance runners if forced, or take the result of the play.

If there's a C.O. called by PU (and we can assume that seeing the OP), I agree
Otherwise, it's nothing than a bad throw and game over. Even here in Europe

[EsqUmp]

While obstruction is not established in the question, it is implied, otherwise there would be no question. There needs to be more details regarding exactly what the catcher does, because the catcher's actions will determine the ruling.

Typically, since there is obstruction and the batter did not safely advance to first base (in addition to all other runners advancing one base), the offensive team has the option to:

1: Take the result of the play - (a) ball or strike on the batter-I hope the umpire called the pitch; and (b) the runner scores; or

2: The batter is awarded 1st base. Because only runners who are forced to advance are awarded a base, the runner is returned to 2nd base (time of pitch).

However, if the catcher stepped on or across home plate without the ball (ball didn't arrive yet) and the batter is prevented from hitting the ball, the ball is dead, the batter is awarded 1st base and only runners who are forced to advance get to advance.

ASA scaled back the language of Rule 10 (without any note as to why) a few years ago. There was a time when Rule 10 stated that no umpire shall impose a penalty for a violation of the offending team would benefit from the imposing that violation. In this case, imposing a penalty (the penalty for catcher's obstruction), would benefit the offending team. There is at least an argument that the penalty should not be imposed at all. That protective rule seems to have escaped the newer rule books though.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

...
If you meant 8-1-D-3

I did. It was late.

[SRW]

Some people must get paid by the word to post on this forum.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by SRW

Some people must get paid by the word to post on this forum.

That was a valuable post.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by SRW

Some people must get paid by the word to post on this forum.

You'd think they'd eventually get the hint...

[tcannizzo]

Play nice

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Offensive coach gets to choose: award batter 1st base and advance runners if forced, or take the result of the play.

Are you realizing yet that your ruling is most likely wrong based on how the play was worded? That there is no option if the batter is prevented from hitting the ball because the catcher stepped out and obstructed?

Worry less about the length of my responses and more about the accuracy of your own.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Are you realizing yet that your ruling is most likely wrong based on how the play was worded? That there is no option if the batter is prevented from hitting the ball because the catcher stepped out and obstructed?

Worry less about the length of my responses and more about the accuracy of your own.

And you should read all responses, including my followup in which I stated that I'd mistakenly overlooked this component.

I don't care about the length of your responses. I do, however, worry about your attitude towards the regulars here.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob

Did the catcher prevent the batter from hitting the pitch? Not apparent from the OP. Game over. Otherwise, immediate dead ball by 8.2.D3.

Well, trying not to be too wordy, I was confident that "lunges forward across the plate" from a catcher's position would pretty much give the image that the batter would not get the opportunity to hit the ball.

Guess I was wrong.