D3k... Again!

[RKBUmp]

From NCAA softball rules.

12.8.5 If the ball is live and a runner, after reaching base safely, abandons
her base (for example, obviously heads toward her position or the dugout,
believing she was put out or that another batter/runner was put out to end
the inning).

[CecilOne]

But, in HS, s/he must leave live-ball territory to be out.

Also, unlike a coach at a National said, the batter can not be out for leaving live-ball territory, while still at bat. Abandonment only applies to BR & R.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

But, in HS, s/he must leave live-ball territory to be out.

Also, unlike a coach at a National said, the batter can not be out for leaving live-ball territory, while still at bat. Abandonment only applies to BR & R.

Partially true (not referring to coach, totally true).

In 8-2-4, Batter-Runner is out when "she fails to advance to first base AND enters the team area". So, correct in the OP situation.

But, in 8-6-22, The Runner is out when "she abandons a base, enters a team area OR leaves the field of play".

Case Play 8-6-22 Situation B: "B2 hits a grounder to F6 whose throw to F3 is not in time to retire B2. However, B2, who has not been declared out, leaves the baseline (My note: like THAT has anything to do with it) and heads for the dugout. RULING: B2 may be declared out if the umpire judges the act of B2 to be considered abandoning her effort to run the bases."

So, before reaching first, the BR has not abandoned an attempt until/unless she leaves live ball territory, but after reaching first, any effort judged to be abandonment by the umpire can be an out. Does anyone think there is any rationale or reasonable consistency here??

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Partially true (not referring to coach, totally true).

but after reaching first, any effort judged to be abandonment by the umpire can be an out. Does anyone think there is any rationale or reasonable consistency here??

Doesn't this "The Runner is out when "she abandons a base, enters a team area OR leaves the field of play"." mean having to do both, even without the word "and", because of the conjunctive punctuation?
IOW, the R can not "enters a team area OR leaves the field of play" without leaving (abandons) the base.

We all know the national education body is weak on writing/editing.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Doesn't this "The Runner is out when "she abandons a base, enters a team area OR leaves the field of play"." mean having to do both, even without the word "and", because of the conjunctive punctuation?
IOW, the R can not "enters a team area OR leaves the field of play" without leaving (abandons) the base.

We all know the national education body is weak on writing/editing.

Wish I could agree, but the case play doesn't have the runner doing either of the "enters a team area OR leaves the field of play", but says can be declared out.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Wish I could agree, but the case play doesn't have the runner doing either of the "enters a team area OR leaves the field of play", but says can be declared out.

We should also love that it says, "can be called out" - not should be or IS. But can be... sounds like it's vaguely optional for the umpire, yes? rolleyes:

[CecilOne]

NFHS slow pitch adult ball

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

But, in HS, s/he must leave live-ball territory to be out. ...

Not true.

NFHS Case Play 8.6.22 (2010)
8.6.22 SITUATION A: B1 reaches first safely. In her overrun, she breaks for second and then "gives up" far away from the baseline. RULING: If B1 is attempting to reach a base, she must be tagged out, but the fielder is not expected to chase her into the outfield. In the outlined case, B1 is out for giving up. (8-4-2; 8-6-2)

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

From NCAA softball rules.

12.8.5 If the ball is live and a runner, after reaching base safely, abandons
her base (for example, obviously heads toward her position or the dugout,
believing she was put out or that another batter/runner was put out to end
the inning).

Great way to confuse the issue.

Guess I have to add: If you're working NFHS ball, don't refer to the NCAA softball rules.