Losing Pitcher..scoring question?

[Doc 2]

Game is tied at the end of regulation play. Start 8th inning with runner on 2nd and one out (ITB). Visitors can't score. Home team takes plate with runner on 2nd. Visiting pitcher (A) has pitched complete game: walks next two batters, loading bases, one out. Coach substitutes pitcher (B). B faces one batter, who singles. Winning run crosses plate.

Coach says pitcher B only faced one batter, but is losing pitcher because the run that crossed the plate was placed by rule (ITB)and not credited to pitcher A.

Is this correct?

[greymule]

Where have I been? Every ITB I ever saw started with a runner on 2B and no outs, not 1 out.

I can't imagine what the answer to the question is. One can make the argument that the runner on 2B is not the responsibility of the pitcher who started the inning. But how is he the responsibility of the other pitcher?

[WestMichiganBlue]

The run is charged to the defensive team, not to the pitcher.
WMB

[gsf23]

So then you would have no losing pitcher?

[WestMichiganBlue]

I just quote it. And as an umpire I don't really give a damn who gets charged with a loss or win. All I need to do is tell the scorekeeper what the rule.

Anyway - yes, there is no losing pitcher, only a winning one.
WMB

[whiskers_ump]

Doc 2 and gsf23,

As stated by WMB, " For the tie-breaker procedure, the run scored
by the player starting as a runner at second base shall be charged to
the defensive team, not to the pitcher"

See NFHS 2003 Rule 9 Sec 6 ART 3 Note, page 75.

Doc 2, what State starts ITB with one out when placing the runner
at 2B?

BTW, WMB, it is the umpires duty to correct scorekeeping errors
if brought to our attention prior to departing the field, However,
I seriously doubt that this would be a problem that would ever be
brought to our attention. More like "" kill the umpire!

BTW Doc 2 - welcome to the board.

glen

[Doc 2]

Thanks everyone for your response. The coach is sticking to her initial call. She agrees with NFHS 2003 Rule 9 Sec 6 ART 3 and says the run will not count against Pitcher B's ERA. But, Pitcher B will still be losing pitcher.

She used NFHS Rule 9 Sec 6 ART b. (1) as her argument. I read this rule to be used in a game of less than 4 innings. Additionally, She said UIL requires a winning and losing pitcher.

.....Whiskers_Ump....we are in Texas. We've played lots of ASA games where ITB starts with runner on 2B and one out so we didn't question it this time.

Thanks again everyone.

Doc 2

[whiskers_ump]

Doc 2,

I am also in TexAs, East Texas...Call from the Beaumont chapter.
You must use the 1 out thing in league play only. Never had it
for any tournaments around this or surrounding areas, i.e. Houston
Lufkin, nor La.



glen

[Doc 2]

Whiskers_Ump,

I've read a lot of your post's over the last year. Finally decided to register to ask the question in this thread.

Do you interpret NFHS Rule 9 Sec 6 ART b. (1) the same as our coach? Game tied, 8th inning, bases loaded, 1 out....new pitcher, 1 pitch, hit single,....losing pitcher.

Thanks,

Doc 2

[bluezebra]

NEVER trust a coach to interpret rules unless she/he is a qualified, trained umpire.

Bob

[whiskers_ump]

Originally posted by Doc 2
Whiskers_Ump,

I've read a lot of your post's over the last year. Finally decided to register to ask the question in this thread.

Do you interpret NFHS Rule 9 Sec 6 ART b. (1) the same as our coach? Game tied, 8th inning, bases loaded, 1 out....new pitcher, 1 pitch, hit single,....losing pitcher.

Thanks,

Doc 2

Doc 2,

Not to be smart, but there is No NFHS Rule 9 Sec 6 ART b.
ART should have a number and not a letter. You are probably
referring to R9 S6 A6 b. 1. Yes. However, this not the decision
of the umpire.

glen