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Wed Jan 15, 2003, 02:47pm
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I need some feedback and opinions on this one. The situation is this...a fair batted ball strikes a baserunner while they are on the base. I know the baserunner is not out but my question is, when is it a dead ball as versus a live ball? The rule book (federation) states that the runner is not out and the ball is either live or dead, depending on the position of the fielder. That's all it says with no further explanation or examples. This did happen to me during a game in the fall and I simply called it a "dead ball" and awarded the batter first base. I don't think any of the coaches knew any better so I got away with it. Now I've been thinking about it and would like some comments. Where does the fielder have to be, in relation to the ball, for it to be either a dead ball or live ball??
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Wed Jan 15, 2003, 03:32pm
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If the fielders are playing in and it passes them before it hits the runner on base it is a live ball. If the ball hits the runner on base before passing a fielder than it is a dead ball. BR is awarded 1st and only runners that are force to advanced are moved
Should add on here if the runner is on 1st or 3rd while in contact with the base but standing in foul territory when hit with the ball it is nothing but a foul ball Don [Edited by oppool on Jan 15th, 2003 at 02:40 PM]
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Wed Jan 15, 2003, 06:59pm
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Good point Don. That answers Buck912's question.
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Wed Jan 15, 2003, 11:30pm
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It may be a minor point, but it is not the position of the runner that matters, but the poistion of the ball. So if a runner standing on 3rd is struck by the ball, it is a foul ball if the ball is over foul territory when contact occurs. If the ball is over fair territory, it is a live, fair ball if it has already passed the fielder and it strikes the runner.
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Thu Jan 16, 2003, 01:30pm
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I agree with Mike. The situtation depends on whether the ball is a fair or foul ball, not the position of the runner. If the runner is on the bag, and considering that the base is in fair territory, if the batted ball is a normal fair ball, then it's a fair ball. If the runner has one foot on the base and the rest of her body is in foul territory and a ball is hit directly on the line and hits her, the ball is fair and then depending upon the position of the fielder, a ruling will be made on live ball/dead ball. That's the way I see it. Any other viewpoints? Now, I hope I said that right. I almost confused myself.......
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Thu Jan 16, 2003, 04:58pm
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That is basically what I said
If the runner is in contact with the bag and standing in foul territory and hit with the ball over foul territory it is a foul ball. If the ball if over fair territory when the contact is made it is a fair ball
Don
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Thu Jan 16, 2003, 06:01pm
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Re: That is basically what I said
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I think that is one of the reasons the rule book mentions the status of the ball prior to introducing the contact or scenario-determining event.
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