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Hey everyone. I'm 17 years old and I've been umpiring for the past two years. I've been playing since I was 9. I've got a question.
Hard ground ball hit back to the pitcher. The ball becomes lodged in the pitchers glove. Can the pitcher just throw the glove and ball to the first baseman to make the out. One of my friends says you can't throw the glove. I say you can. 
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Sun Jan 05, 2003, 12:22pm
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I've been doing softball since 1957, I see no rule against it !
In fact (if my memory serves me) I saw it happen once ! One time I saw a guy bunt in FP by tossing the bat at the pitch--- there was no double hit, and I made a no call, which I believe is correct.Sometimes you see some funny stuff that is not in rule books, etc. Have a great 2003 !
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Sun Jan 05, 2003, 01:44pm
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That play is specifically covered in at least one case book, and the ruling is that the catch at 1B is legal. If F3 catches the glove/ball in time, the batter-runner is out.
However, I can't seem to find the specific citation. I'll keep looking, or maybe somebody else will cite it. I know I saw that very play on TV in a MLB game. Of course, that doesn't mean it's legal in softball, but I think it is anyway. [Edited by greymule on Jan 5th, 2003 at 01:05 PM]
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Sun Jan 05, 2003, 02:57pm
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The bat issue in softball is as much about liability, insurance and litigation as it is about competition, inflated egos and softball.
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Sun Jan 05, 2003, 08:18pm
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SWFLguy wrote:
"One time I saw a guy bunt in FP by tossing the bat at the pitch--- there was no double hit, and I made a no call, which I believe is correct." The closest ruling for this would be ASA CaseBook Play 7.6-3. This ruling is for an illegally batted ball, but if batter had feet in box according to rules, then if ball fair, play on is the way I read it. Of course if I am wrong, someone will straighten me out.  glen
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Sun Jan 05, 2003, 08:21pm
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Mike wrote:
"ASA 2002 Casebook covers in with Play 8.2.5. As long the the fielder making the put-out has control of the glove and ball, the player would be ruled out." ASA CaseBook Play 1-16A could also apply - reading between the lines. glen
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Mon Jan 06, 2003, 11:35pm
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Since none of the guys said it--------
"Welcome LilDani14" Can we know your name? I think it is very commendable for a 17 year old to umpiring. It's got to be hard to deal with the coaches and parents. Keep on posting, we'll all be glad to help you!
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Tue Jan 07, 2003, 07:31pm
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OOOOOps,
Let me join that group greeting you  . Glad to have a new poster. Good luck in the upcoming season.  glen
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