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txump81 Tue Feb 22, 2011 07:48am

Exactly:D

HugoTafurst Tue Feb 22, 2011 07:49am

Yesterday, I attemted to glibly add to the conversation, but in my rush to be cute, I made an error.
I since edited it to correct the statement....

Quote:

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst (Post 732612)
3/4 correct :D

correction: 1/4 correct ....
(1/4 was my first typing, but in my rush to give a "cute answer", I misread the rule)

What I am trying to say is that in NCAA, at the top of the strike zone, the entire ball must be in the zone.

"The top of the ball must be on or within the horizontal plane
"


topper Tue Feb 22, 2011 08:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000 (Post 732651)
The entire ball DOES NOT need to be "within the window". A strke could be called if any part of the ball passes through the strike zone.

A strike could be called, but if the top of the ball is above the horizontal plane of the top of the zone, it's not a strike. Just clarifying.

HugoTafurst Tue Feb 22, 2011 01:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by topper (Post 732835)
A strike could be called, but if the top of the ball is above the horizontal plane of the top of the zone, it's not a strike. Just clarifying.


Well if your going to be that way:

If a strike is called, it IS a strike.....

.....it just wasn't in the strike zone!!!!!:):D:)

Big Slick Tue Feb 22, 2011 04:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcblue13 (Post 732733)
Sounds like a game of Angry Birds gone bad

However, the yellow (bird) doesn't break the glass :cool:

tcblue13 Wed Feb 23, 2011 08:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Slick (Post 733097)
However, the yellow (bird) doesn't break the glass :cool:

You must not be touching the screen after you launch him. He is a pretty potent fowl once he gets the boost.

Big Slick Wed Feb 23, 2011 09:17am

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Originally Posted by tcblue13 (Post 733379)
You must not be touching the screen after you launch him. He is a pretty potent fowl once he gets the boost.

He breaks the wood, so if the strike zone is a wooden frame . . . .

drh898 Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:53am

Knees
 
We had an interesting discussion in our high school meeting. The instructor pointed out that the rule book states, Rule 2-56 ART. 3, "The strike zone....................the top of the knees.............." What he said was that the rule says that the ball has be at the top of the KNEES. Plural. Not one knee but it has to be at the top of both knees. So a pitch the is at the top of the front knee but drops and is below the back knee is a ball.

What is your interpretation?

argodad Wed Feb 23, 2011 01:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by drh898 (Post 733426)
We had an interesting discussion in our high school meeting. The instructor pointed out that the rule book states, Rule 2-56 ART. 3, "The strike zone....................the top of the knees.............." What he said was that the rule says that the ball has be at the top of the KNEES. Plural. Not one knee but it has to be at the top of both knees. So a pitch the is at the top of the front knee but drops and is below the back knee is a ball.

What is your interpretation?

I strongly disagree. "The top of the knees" establishes the (horizontal) bottom of the zone. A ball over any part of the plate that is high enough to touch that plane is a strike. It doesn't have to cross the whole plate. What if she is way back (or forward) in the box. Do you consider the height as it passes her knees, or where it crosses the plate?

AtlUmpSteve Wed Feb 23, 2011 01:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by drh898 (Post 733426)
We had an interesting discussion in our high school meeting. The instructor pointed out that the rule book states, Rule 2-56 ART. 3, "The strike zone....................the top of the knees.............." What he said was that the rule says that the ball has be at the top of the KNEES. Plural. Not one knee but it has to be at the top of both knees. So a pitch the is at the top of the front knee but drops and is below the back knee is a ball.

What is your interpretation?

Don't agree. Any part of the ball touching any part of the strike zone is a principle that should be followed unless clearly stated otherwise (NCAA entire ball must be at or below the horizontal plane of the bottom of the sternum).

It is my opinion that the intent and meaning in NFHS, including the wording and principle of "between" is "at the top of (either of) the knees", allowing that it a drop might hit the front knee at the front of the plate but not the back knee at the back of the plate, while ALSO allowing that a low rise might be UNDER the front knee at the front of the plate, but rise up to catch the back knee at the back of the plate.

txump81 Wed Feb 23, 2011 01:46pm

It all boils down to this...What do we get paid for? Outs. What gets you outs? Strikes. Therefore, I call any ball that touches any part of the area above the plate with a max height at the chest and the min height at the knees a strike.

Wow. We need more games when we're discussing fractions of an inch on strike zones.

drh898 Thu Feb 24, 2011 01:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 733494)
Don't agree. Any part of the ball touching any part of the strike zone is a principle that should be followed unless clearly stated otherwise (NCAA entire ball must be at or below the horizontal plane of the bottom of the sternum).

It is my opinion that the intent and meaning in NFHS, including the wording and principle of "between" is "at the top of (either of) the knees", allowing that it a drop might hit the front knee at the front of the plate but not the back knee at the back of the plate, while ALSO allowing that a low rise might be UNDER the front knee at the front of the plate, but rise up to catch the back knee at the back of the plate.

Good response.

Umpteenth Thu Feb 24, 2011 09:33am

Not to hijack, but an earlier post, for some reason, brought this to mind:

What is the airspeed velocity of a softball-laden swallow? :confused:

UmpireErnie Tue Mar 01, 2011 05:34pm

OK it’s really simple. If a pitch makes my right arm go up with a fist and makes me sing out my “called strike” call; it’s a strike! Right? :)

SNIPERBBB Tue Mar 01, 2011 06:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie (Post 735645)
OK it’s really simple. If a pitch makes my right arm go up with a fist and makes me sing out my “called strike” call; it’s a strike! Right? :)

As long as it doesnt turn into the dreaded strike-ball.


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