Drop 3rd strike mechanic

[roadking]

Non NCAA.
On a dropped 3rd strike non swinging with no one first, is it the proper mechanic to punch the batter out in this situation or should it be a signal srtike? thanks

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by roadking

Non NCAA.
On a dropped 3rd strike non swinging with no one first, is it the proper mechanic to punch the batter out in this situation or should it be a signal srtike? thanks

Wouldn't it be strike/out and then a safe signal?

[DaveASA/FED]

NON NCAA. It would be a strike call then signal he out and hold the out signal. And thats why verbals are not suppose to be near "OUT" 2 syllables that are somewhere near "strike-three" so there can't be confusion that the PU called the batter out.

[AtlUmpSteve]

What am I missing? The batter is not out in this situation (dropped third called strike, 1st not occupied), so why are we concerned with punching the batter out or holding an out signal.

Seems to me we have a strike to signal, and no out to call or signal. Newest NCAA mechanic is signal safe; has any other association suggested any signal for a batter-runner that has not been put out, nor has an out been attempted yet??

[BretMan]

Maybe the question is this: On a non-swinging, uncaught third strike, should the umpire signal the strike as he might any other called third strike (pull the ripcord, extra emphasis, etc.) or give the usual hammer that he would on a called strike one or two?

(At least, I think that is the question. )

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Newest NCAA mechanic is signal safe; has any other association suggested any signal for a batter-runner that has not been put out, nor has an out been attempted yet??

Yes. Major League Baseball!

[roadking]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Maybe the question is this: On a non-swinging, uncaught third strike, should the umpire signal the strike as he might any other called third strike (pull the ripcord, extra emphasis, etc.) or give the usual hammer that he would on a called strike one or two?

(At least, I think that is the question. )



Yes. Major League Baseball!

Bretman you are correct with your interpatation of what I was trying to say. Im sure I know the answer to my own question, but in some past lower level games, Ive a been a little quick to punch the batter out only to realize the catcher has dropped the ball. Other than the NCAA new mechanic, I was wonder how others convey to younger players that was the third strike.

[UmpireErnie]

OK we strayed away from the OP.

Everyone does their called strike three differently. I never say the word “three”, but my verbal call on strike three is different than other called strikes. On strike three I give my verbal call before I move, then come up with a hammer strike signal, followed by a “punch out” aka “pulling the ripcord”.

If the batter is not out because of U3K, I do exactly the same thing on strike three except I don’t make the punchout move until F2 tags the batter. If the defense makes the play at 1B instead I never make the punchout move as the out call belongs to my partner.

The decision to make or not make that punchout move is part of a routine to make sure that I am applying the U3K rule. I would respectfully disagree with the argument that this is the same as making a different call on a missed base. A missed base in an appeal play; an uncaught third strike is not. Having said that I do believe the players need to know what is going on; I am not giving a big demonstrative signal on an U3K, simply not signaling an out when in fact the player is not yet out.

[tcannizzo]

Normally, I give the same strike three call, whether it is U3K or not, but with the same few minor variations from one K to the next. But essentially it is "Sell Strike".

When the Sell is not necesssary or out of place, I will verbalize it as "Strike 3".