Now Flake ASA Softball happenings...

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by bd41flpk

Crew - thanks much for the responses and valdiation of the rules. Especially around the OBS description that describes what base R1 would be awarded 'if the OBS did not occur'.

Can anyone please point out the rule for the IP call for the dropped glove which would result in an 'ejection'?

Certainly. It's ASA 6-4-B.

A fielder shall not take a position in the batter's line of vision or, with deliberate unsportsmanlike intent, act in a manner to distract the batter. A pitch does not have to be released.
EFFECT: The offending player shall be ejected from the game.

[Linknblue]

Deception = distraction = IP or unsportsmanlike

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Linknblue

Deception = distraction = IP or unsportsmanlike

So you're saying it's illegal to slowly pitch a ball... in slow pitch?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Linknblue

Deception = distraction = IP or unsportsmanlike

And you wonder why people complain about umpires.

"Deception" has absolutely NOTHING to do with this rule. Then again, there is no deception involved. What's the pitcher doing, deceiving the batter by putting the glove where he thinks the ball is going?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Linknblue

Deception = distraction = IP or unsportsmanlike

Huh? Can't find that in my book.

[Linknblue]

C'mon guys! Dropping glove 1st time = warning. Don't do it again. Maybe call IP because of distraction/deception attempt. Dropping glove 2nd time after warning............gone!!!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Linknblue

C'mon guys! Dropping glove 1st time = warning. Don't do it again. Maybe call IP because of distraction/deception attempt. Dropping glove 2nd time after warning............gone!!!

Will you please get rid of the word "deception". It has no place in this rule.

And I'm not sure I consider dropping the glove anything more than stupid on the pitcher's part. The ball is going up, why would the batter be looking at a glove on the ground? Throwing it to the ground, probably; Dropping it, probably not.

[Linknblue]

I'm kinda looking at deceptive methods to distract

Darn! Fly specks in my pepper!!!!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Linknblue

I'm kinda looking at deceptive methods to distract

Darn! Fly specks in my pepper!!!!

Please show me where the word "deception" is considered a violation.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Linknblue

Deception = distraction = IP or unsportsmanlike

I'm not familiar with Slo-Pitch specific rules, but I am fairly familiar with fast pitch rules.

I could be wrong, but I don't recall a mention of the word deception, "deceipt or decieive" as a factor in determining illegal pitch.

Perhaps you are using criteria from another sport that states:

"Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent
the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpire’s mind, the “intent” of the pitcher should govern."

Of course that has nothing to do with Softball.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

I'm not familiar with Slo-Pitch specific rules, but I am fairly familiar with fast pitch rules.

I could be wrong, but I don't recall a mention of the word deception, "deceipt or decieive" as a factor in determining illegal pitch.

The reason I don't like this word is because way too many umpires with less than Championship Play training, and even some with, use "deception" as a criteria to "create" rules citing intent.

I've seen umpires award bases because a SS jumped for a line drive over his head and smacked his glove as if the ball was caught. Reasoning: the SS attempted to "deceive" the runner. Same with an RF who missed a bounding ball, but came up with a throwing motion while the RCF backed him up and retrieved the ball. And God help the catcher who stands idle while a throw is on the way so the runner doesn't think there is an imminent play and then tags the runner out.

JMHO

[Linknblue]

Ok! What would you hang your hat on if you thought the pitcher was trying to distract a batter by dropping/tossing their glove? What if they did it in every critical situation? What if it was over the top blatent?

I understand the word decieve(ing) isn't in the rules but what is going on is that the pitcher is using deceptive methods to try and distract the batter.

Should this be let go?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Linknblue

Ok! What would you hang your hat on if you thought the pitcher was trying to distract a batter by dropping/tossing their glove? What if they did it in every critical situation? What if it was over the top blatent?

I understand the word decieve(ing) isn't in the rules but what is going on is that the pitcher is using deceptive methods to try and distract the batter.

Should this be let go?

Dropped, nothing. Thrown, the rule which was previously cited.

After all, there is no requirement to wear a glove and the pitcher is only making themselves vulnerable.