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IRISHMAFIA Wed Nov 24, 2010 07:26pm

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Originally Posted by Linknblue (Post 703129)
C'mon guys! Dropping glove 1st time = warning. Don't do it again. Maybe call IP because of distraction/deception attempt. Dropping glove 2nd time after warning............gone!!!

Will you please get rid of the word "deception". It has no place in this rule.

And I'm not sure I consider dropping the glove anything more than stupid on the pitcher's part. The ball is going up, why would the batter be looking at a glove on the ground? Throwing it to the ground, probably; Dropping it, probably not.

Linknblue Thu Nov 25, 2010 03:13pm

I'm kinda looking at deceptive methods to distract

Darn! Fly specks in my pepper!!!!

IRISHMAFIA Thu Nov 25, 2010 07:52pm

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Originally Posted by Linknblue (Post 703280)
I'm kinda looking at deceptive methods to distract

Darn! Fly specks in my pepper!!!!

Please show me where the word "deception" is considered a violation.

HugoTafurst Fri Nov 26, 2010 08:29am

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Originally Posted by Linknblue (Post 702833)
Deception = distraction = IP or unsportsmanlike

I'm not familiar with Slo-Pitch specific rules, but I am fairly familiar with fast pitch rules.

I could be wrong, but I don't recall a mention of the word deception, "deceipt or decieive" as a factor in determining illegal pitch.

Perhaps you are using criteria from another sport that states:

Quote:

"Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent
the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpire’s mind, the “intent” of the pitcher should govern."
Of course that has nothing to do with Softball.

:)

IRISHMAFIA Fri Nov 26, 2010 01:10pm

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Originally Posted by HugoTafurst (Post 703374)
I'm not familiar with Slo-Pitch specific rules, but I am fairly familiar with fast pitch rules.

I could be wrong, but I don't recall a mention of the word deception, "deceipt or decieive" as a factor in determining illegal pitch.

The reason I don't like this word is because way too many umpires with less than Championship Play training, and even some with, use "deception" as a criteria to "create" rules citing intent.

I've seen umpires award bases because a SS jumped for a line drive over his head and smacked his glove as if the ball was caught. Reasoning: the SS attempted to "deceive" the runner. Same with an RF who missed a bounding ball, but came up with a throwing motion while the RCF backed him up and retrieved the ball. And God help the catcher who stands idle while a throw is on the way so the runner doesn't think there is an imminent play and then tags the runner out.

JMHO

Linknblue Fri Nov 26, 2010 01:47pm

Ok! What would you hang your hat on if you thought the pitcher was trying to distract a batter by dropping/tossing their glove? What if they did it in every critical situation? What if it was over the top blatent?

I understand the word decieve(ing) isn't in the rules but what is going on is that the pitcher is using deceptive methods to try and distract the batter.

Should this be let go?

IRISHMAFIA Fri Nov 26, 2010 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by Linknblue (Post 703406)
Ok! What would you hang your hat on if you thought the pitcher was trying to distract a batter by dropping/tossing their glove? What if they did it in every critical situation? What if it was over the top blatent?

I understand the word decieve(ing) isn't in the rules but what is going on is that the pitcher is using deceptive methods to try and distract the batter.

Should this be let go?

Dropped, nothing. Thrown, the rule which was previously cited.

After all, there is no requirement to wear a glove and the pitcher is only making themselves vulnerable.


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