ASA Rule Changes

[IRISHMAFIA]

These are the changes recommended for approval by the General Council tomorrow: Redefine Fair Ball as it pertains to 1B

Move all adult SP bases to 70'

Move all adult SP bases to 70' Men's A&B only

Move all adult SP bases to 70' - 2012

Better define safety grip

Better definition of altered bat

Add 52/300 ball as available legal ball

Shirt rule only for E/Rec SP

Penalty for wrong number of players in each position in Co-ed game

Mod 10-player clarification

Allow 1-1 count in Masters SP

Allow gray ball bag for umpires

Add "silver" to acceptable color of mask

[NCASAUmp]

I'm noticing that the list is very SP-heavy (not that I'm complaining!). Any insights as to why this might be?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I'm noticing that the list is very SP-heavy (not that I'm complaining!). Any insights as to why this might be?

FP is cool and less ego-driven , much less power-driven.

[CecilOne]

"Redefine Fair Ball as it pertains to 1B"

Hopefully with the simpler wording a few of us suggested.

[CecilOne]

"Better define safety grip

Better definition of altered bat"

Good.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

"Redefine Fair Ball as it pertains to 1B"

Hopefully with the simpler wording a few of us suggested.

It is what it is and passed in the manner it was presented.

However, there have been discussions for more than a week over the wording and it will probably be changed prior to the rule book being printed.

Only one person raised the issue of wording and that did not occur until this afternoon after it was approved by the Playing Rules Committee.

[Welpe]

How close did modifying the illegal pitch rule for FP come to passing?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Welpe

How close did modifying the illegal pitch rule for FP come to passing?

Can you be more specific, there were a few?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Can you be more specific, there were a few?

I would guess he means, and the one I remember, is removing the base advance part of the penalty.

Or, allowing a leap, if you know that one too.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I would guess he means, and the one I remember, is removing the base advance part of the penalty.

Or, allowing a leap, if you know that one too.

Minimal discussion. Neither was recommended and will likely not be raised on the floor.

[Welpe]

Sorry, I had meant the proposal to remove the base award. Thanks Cecil and Mike.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Rule
2.1	Move all adult SP bases to 70' Men's A&B only
2.3	Addresses thickness of double base
3.1	Better define safety grip which includes any attachments must be TAPED to the handle.
3.1	Better definition of altered bat including allowing engraving for ID purposes
3.3	Add 52/300 ball as available legal ball
3.6	Shirt rule only for E/Rec SP
4.1	Penalty for wrong number of players in each position in Co-ed game
6.4	Mod 10-player clarification
7.3	Allow 1-1 count in Masters SP
7.3	Allow 1-1 count in Masters SP
10.5	Allow gray ball bag
10.5	Add "silver" to acceptable color of mask

[darkside]

Anything come of FP Rules:

2.1 (43' for 14U)
4.4 (JO & FP may use either 1 or 2 EP)
6.3K (leaping allowed in women's FP)

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by darkside

Anything come of FP Rules:

2.1 (43' for 14U)
4.4 (JO & FP may use either 1 or 2 EP)
6.3K (leaping allowed in women's FP)

Not to put words in Mike's mouth, but one truism I have learned while dealing with rulebooks and rules proposals is that when something isn't addressed, then it isn't a rule.

Using that logic, I think it safe to assume that a list of approved rules changes that DOESN'T include something would mean those items excluded weren't accepted or changed.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Not to put words in Mike's mouth, but one truism I have learned while dealing with rulebooks and rules proposals is that when something isn't addressed, then it isn't a rule.

Using that logic, I think it safe to assume that a list of approved rules changes that DOESN'T include something would mean those items excluded weren't accepted or changed.

What he said.

I can tell you that these issues were raised and discussed on the floor.

There were two proposals for 43'. One was for all 14U and was rejected by the GC 169-34. The other for 14U A was rejected 161-40.

Bringing all FP in line with the men (allowing a leap) was rejected 106-84.

The additional participaton (EP, free substitution, etc.) were pretty much killed in committees and were not even discussed in the Playing Rule Committee for recommendation.