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IRISHMAFIA Wed Nov 10, 2010 02:59pm

ASA Rule Changes
 
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 221pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=295><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 221pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 10788" width=295><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 221pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20 width=295>These are the changes recommended for approval by the General Council tomorrow:

Redefine Fair Ball as it pertains to 1B

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>Move all adult SP bases to 70'</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>
Move all adult SP bases to 70' Men's A&B only
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Move all adult SP bases to 70' - 2012
</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>Better define safety grip</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>
Better definition of altered bat
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</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>Add 52/300 ball as available legal ball</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>
Shirt rule only for E/Rec SP
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Penalty for wrong number of players in each position in Co-ed game

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>Mod 10-player clarification</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>
Allow 1-1 count in Masters SP
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</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>Allow gray ball bag for umpires

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" height=20>Add "silver" to acceptable color of mask</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

NCASAUmp Wed Nov 10, 2010 03:07pm

I'm noticing that the list is very SP-heavy (not that I'm complaining!). Any insights as to why this might be?

CecilOne Wed Nov 10, 2010 03:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 700339)
I'm noticing that the list is very SP-heavy (not that I'm complaining!). Any insights as to why this might be?

FP is cool :cool: :) and less ego-driven :rolleyes: :o, much less power-driven. :rolleyes:

CecilOne Wed Nov 10, 2010 03:39pm

"Redefine Fair Ball as it pertains to 1B"

Hopefully with the simpler wording a few of us suggested.

CecilOne Wed Nov 10, 2010 03:40pm

"Better define safety grip

Better definition of altered bat"

Good.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Nov 10, 2010 03:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 700356)
"Redefine Fair Ball as it pertains to 1B"

Hopefully with the simpler wording a few of us suggested.

It is what it is and passed in the manner it was presented.

However, there have been discussions for more than a week over the wording and it will probably be changed prior to the rule book being printed.

Only one person raised the issue of wording and that did not occur until this afternoon after it was approved by the Playing Rules Committee.

Welpe Wed Nov 10, 2010 05:00pm

How close did modifying the illegal pitch rule for FP come to passing?

IRISHMAFIA Wed Nov 10, 2010 05:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 700384)
How close did modifying the illegal pitch rule for FP come to passing?

Can you be more specific, there were a few?

CecilOne Thu Nov 11, 2010 09:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 700387)
Can you be more specific, there were a few?

I would guess he means, and the one I remember, is removing the base advance part of the penalty.

Or, allowing a leap, if you know that one too.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Nov 11, 2010 09:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 700515)
I would guess he means, and the one I remember, is removing the base advance part of the penalty.

Or, allowing a leap, if you know that one too.

Minimal discussion. Neither was recommended and will likely not be raised on the floor.

Welpe Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:00am

Sorry, I had meant the proposal to remove the base award. Thanks Cecil and Mike.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:52am

Approved Rule Changes for 2011
 
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 503pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=670><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 59pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2852" width=78><COL style="WIDTH: 444pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 21650" width=592><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 59pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20 width=78>Rule</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 444pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" width=592></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>2.1</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Move all adult SP bases to 70' Men's A&B only</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>2.3</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Addresses thickness of double base</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>3.1</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Better define safety grip which includes any attachments must be TAPED to the handle.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>3.1</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Better definition of altered bat including allowing engraving for ID purposes</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>3.3</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Add 52/300 ball as available legal ball</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>3.6</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Shirt rule only for E/Rec SP</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>4.1</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Penalty for wrong number of players in each position in Co-ed game</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>6.4</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Mod 10-player clarification</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>7.3</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Allow 1-1 count in Masters SP</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>7.3</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Allow 1-1 count in Masters SP</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>10.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Allow gray ball bag</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0" class=xl65 height=20>10.5</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #f0f0f0; BORDER-LEFT: #f0f0f0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; BORDER-TOP: #f0f0f0; BORDER-RIGHT: #f0f0f0">Add "silver" to acceptable color of mask</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

darkside Thu Nov 11, 2010 01:54pm

Anything come of FP Rules:

2.1 (43' for 14U)
4.4 (JO & FP may use either 1 or 2 EP)
6.3K (leaping allowed in women's FP)

AtlUmpSteve Thu Nov 11, 2010 05:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkside (Post 700589)
Anything come of FP Rules:

2.1 (43' for 14U)
4.4 (JO & FP may use either 1 or 2 EP)
6.3K (leaping allowed in women's FP)

Not to put words in Mike's mouth, but one truism I have learned while dealing with rulebooks and rules proposals is that when something isn't addressed, then it isn't a rule.

Using that logic, I think it safe to assume that a list of approved rules changes that DOESN'T include something would mean those items excluded weren't accepted or changed:D:D.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Nov 11, 2010 05:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 700657)
Not to put words in Mike's mouth, but one truism I have learned while dealing with rulebooks and rules proposals is that when something isn't addressed, then it isn't a rule.

Using that logic, I think it safe to assume that a list of approved rules changes that DOESN'T include something would mean those items excluded weren't accepted or changed:D:D.

What he said.

I can tell you that these issues were raised and discussed on the floor.

There were two proposals for 43'. One was for all 14U and was rejected by the GC 169-34. The other for 14U A was rejected 161-40.

Bringing all FP in line with the men (allowing a leap) was rejected 106-84.

The additional participaton (EP, free substitution, etc.) were pretty much killed in committees and were not even discussed in the Playing Rule Committee for recommendation.


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