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"it must be made prior to the runner returning to first base while the ball is live." You are reading this to mean it must be made prior to the runner returning; and separately that it must be made while the ball is live. I can see now how you got there, but this is NOT in line with the rule. Read it again like this. It must be made prior to {the runner returning to first base while the ball is live}. IOW - if the runner returns to first base while the ball is live, the appeal must be made before that happens. If the runner never returns to first base while the ball is live, then it can happen anytime. THIS way of reading it IS in line with the rule. You said it yourself --- These are not rules, they are explanations or clarifications. You should assume that if your reading of a clarification contradicts the actual rule, that you're reading it differently than they intended. |
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The supplement is just wrong. The appeal does not have to be made while the ball is live and the phrase should be struck. ________ COLORADO MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY |
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So why does this need a supplement? What is so difficult to understand about this rule, or what makes this rule any different (as in missing any other base) that would require it's own special mention in a rule (8-2-M) and it's own mention in the rule supplement #1? A BR may overrun 1B with being in jeopardy, which cannot happen at any other base. So we go to the rule supplement, . . it must be made prior to the runner returning to first while the ball is live . There is no contradiction from the rule, it now adds to the rule a specific condition, that of the status of the ball, to the exclusion of any dead ball appeals (if you mention one instance, you exclude the other instance). FWIW, I am in agreement with Steve's analysis (after all, it is a missed base), and that there is a poor choice of wording. It should be written as: To make a live ball appeal, the appeal must be made before the BR returns to first base. The appeal can also be made during a dead ball if the BR did not return to first base and advanced to another base. |
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I think you are missing the forrest because of the trees.... This does not exclude a deadball appeal.... Let me see if this makes sense to you: If the appeal is made while the ball is live, it must be made prior to the runner returning to the base. Does that help? |
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If the appeal is made while the ball is live, it must be made prior to the runner returning to the base. If the appeal is made while the ball is not live, it must be made prior to the runner returning to the base. Then there's a simpler way to say this: The appeal must be made prior to the runner returning to the base. But they didn't say that, so the question is why? ________ WEB SHOWS |
Point taken ... on both counts.
I guess the long and short is ... the Rules Supplements are not the rules, and if they seem to add something or change something from the rules, then either they are worded poorly, we're reading them wrong, or they are just flat incorrect. As to why this rule needed an RS (a wrong one at that)... who knows... I don't think it did! :) |
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RS#1.L applies when a runner is returning to 1B. The runner did not return to 1B, so this does not apply. A missed base is a missed base. By rule, touching the wrong base is the same a missing a base and should be handled has such. |
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So, how is it different than any other missed base? Now, it isn't; but before the rule change to "one big base" after the BR passed first base, it did serve a purpose, if the runner returned to the "wrong" base. I submit this should have been a "housekeeping" editorial change at that time, but remains to confuse some (just like the "wreck" that is obstruction by definition). |
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