A "food for thought" play

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I think many of us announce the batter is out when not eligible to attempt 1st, so I guess we better get a coaching or not ruling somewhere.

Honestly, I wish this was our mechanic. Alas, it's not. If you revise the mechanic to say, "Batter's out" after a third strike in EVERY situation where that batter is, in fact, out - then you're not doing anything different (coaching, helping the catcher, whatever) if you say it in the OP. To me ... this is much cleaner and clearer than what we're told to do. But unfortunately ... it's not what we're told to do.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Honestly, I wish this was our mechanic. Alas, it's not. If you revise the mechanic to say, "Batter's out" after a third strike in EVERY situation where that batter is, in fact, out - then you're not doing anything different (coaching, helping the catcher, whatever) if you say it in the OP. To me ... this is much cleaner and clearer than what we're told to do. But unfortunately ... it's not what we're told to do.

Actually, I believe it has been taught that this is acceptable when the player not eligible to advance on the ball begins to go toward 1B, not automatically on every ocassion. All you are doing is informing the retired player they are out and not entitled to attempt to advance.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Actually, I believe it has been taught that this is acceptable when the player not eligible to advance on the ball begins to go toward 1B, not automatically on every ocassion. All you are doing is informing the retired player they are out and not entitled to attempt to advance.

It is certainly what I have been taught; but it is also not in any umpire manual (that I can find, anyway). But, I consider verbalizing "batter's out" when she begins to run to 1B when not eligible a routine thing, so I guess I'm surprised anyone has an issue with it.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Actually, I believe it has been taught that this is acceptable when the player not eligible to advance on the ball begins to go toward 1B, not automatically on every ocassion. All you are doing is informing the retired player they are out and not entitled to attempt to advance.

It's good to hear that - I haven't seen it taught down here at all ... but I vastly prefer that. As long as we do it EVERY time, and not just when it appears there's a trick play going on.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Honestly, I wish this was our mechanic. Alas, it's not. If you revise the mechanic to say, "Batter's out" after a third strike in EVERY situation where that batter is, in fact, out - then you're not doing anything different (coaching, helping the catcher, whatever) if you say it in the OP. To me ... this is much cleaner and clearer than what we're told to do. But unfortunately ... it's not what we're told to do.

This is the mechanic for on particular organization that has four letters and plays its games in the spring.