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IRISHMAFIA Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:05pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 621046)
He was complaining about the fences in OKC?

What in the name of Bill Plummer could be the problem with the fences?

luvthegame Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:13pm

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 621030)
The ACE coaches program includes some education aspects, a $5M liability policy, a criminal background check, and was pushed as a response to ASA's insurance carrier suggesting some of these programs as a risk managemnet program.

The teams have had some concern about the cost of registration (which includes insurance); ASA pushed the ACE program to educate and insure the coaches, while protecting the players from predator adults and attempting to hold the costs of registration/insurance. Since it wasn't presented that way, the coaches decided (as they almost always conclude) that ASA did it to make money.

So far as I am aware, there is almost zero positive cash flow from requiring ACE certification of coaches in the youth programs; the cost benefits were to hold the line on future insurance premium increases.

Wade, I won't be logging in as a user on heybucket, although I do read it from time to time, so feel free to pass this perspective to the coaches. IMO, it is a red herring, anyway, as is the college player issue (SPY listed 97 college participants out of more than 1000 overall; 64 teams with 15-20 roster players).

IMO, the positives are really only to the SoCal teams; they can get more teams in, while staying at home. The East Coast (and probably most nonCal) teams will actually pay more to participate in the Premiere; but they are convinced that they need to rebel, that ASA doesn't listen to them, (and mostly, that they won't be accepted into the OTHER showcases they want to be in, like the Champions Cup, if they don't buy into this). Flights into OKC aren't cheap; LAX is certainly better. But I seriously doubt hotels, restaurants, rental cars, and "the other things to do" are cheaper in Huntingdon Beach, CA, than OKC!!

Champions Cup is run by SoCal ASA and there is a competing Showcase Tournament that same weekend.

luvthegame Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:15pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 620945)
Yep, another boring showcase.

BTW, the OKC area is quite inexpensive

College coaches flock to these "boring" showcases!!

luvthegame Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:20pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 621042)
He has a lot of weak arguments..

The fences.. he was whimpering about the humidity early on.

He mr talking point right now. He thinks he will be next king of earth. They are even calling him Mr. Hanning now lol :rolleyes: a month ago he was and always has been "gary".

They are like sheep. Fairly amusing. I got a new term for it.. "the gary messiah" :D

Just my opinion...be careful guys...ignorance is bliss!!

luvthegame Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:23pm

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 621046)
He was complaining about the fences in OKC? I dont ever remember there being a fence up at any of his tournaments that my duaghter played in.

If a team attends his premier tournament, wonder if they will be required as in his other tournaments to book a certain number of hotel rooms from the approved hotels on his list? By the way, if you dont, no more invitations to his tournaments.

WHY did she bother to play in them then?

RKBUmp Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:04am

Hanning was upset that his team practiced on 200' fields and then got to nationals to find 225' fields.

luvthegame Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:11am

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 621058)
Hanning was upset that his team practiced on 200' fields and then got to nationals to find 225' fields.


OK..so...why did it change with out the Gold coaches knowing? Cause the World Cup was played at 225..and ASA couldn't find the energy to change them to what they were previously?

Wonder why the Gold coaches are frustrated??

luvthegame Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:17am

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Originally Posted by luvthegame (Post 621056)
WHY did she bother to play in them then?

I guess more specifically...why did your daughters team play??

If there were no fences...and they were required to stay in a certain hotel??

They could have played anywhere else.....

wadeintothem Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:20am

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Originally Posted by luvthegame (Post 621059)
OK..so...why did it change with out the Gold coaches knowing? Cause the World Cup was played at 225..and ASA couldn't find the energy to change them to what they were previously?

Wonder why the Gold coaches are frustrated??

nothing was changed without them knowing. its in the rule book.

luvthegame Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:36am

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 621063)
nothing was changed without them knowing. its in the rule book.

Exactely.....they made a change from the year before...but thought that because it was "classified" under or burried in ..the rule book...no one would notice or care or everyone would see?? Can you see how it could concern a customer??

wadeintothem Tue Aug 18, 2009 01:36am

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Originally Posted by luvthegame (Post 621067)
Exactely.....they made a change from the year before...but thought that because it was "classified" under or burried in ..the rule book...no one would notice or care or everyone would see?? Can you see how it could concern a customer??

Many coaches believe the rules are secretly "buried" in the rule book. That particular rule is buried WAY deep. Way down on page 32.

luvthegame Tue Aug 18, 2009 01:49am

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 621071)
Many coaches believe the rules are secretly "buried" in the rule book. That particular rule is buried WAY deep. Way down on page 32.

Yeh..you might be right...

but if you don't make your customer aware...and it changes from year to year...

they go elsewhere??

Go figure!!

wadeintothem Tue Aug 18, 2009 09:37am

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Originally Posted by luvthegame (Post 621073)
Yeh..you might be right...

but if you don't make your customer aware...and it changes from year to year...

they go elsewhere??

Go figure!!

Yep.. some truth to that. I think a coaches committee is exactly what is needed so that these types of issues can be addressed. It may not solve issues for all the teams, but the ultimate goal is to move forward with ASA.

Skahtboi Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:01am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 620334)
Go ahead. I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a Walmart regardless of the price. Oh, and BTW, they don't give a **** about you or anyone else.


Ain't that the truth?!

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:26am

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Originally Posted by luvthegame (Post 621053)
College coaches flock to these "boring" showcases!!

And do you know why?


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