INT on a DP?

[Andy]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

What about the BU's explanation (also supported by the PU-I told you the ASA umps in boston are bad) that the fielder has to physically throw the ball for INT to be called?

See Dave's explanation above:

Originally Posted by NCASAump

There are some umpires who believe this, but I think that's horsesh1t. They do not have to attempt the throw in order for there to be INT.

As a side note...please don't lump all ASA umpires in an area into a category because of the two that you had. Thanks

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Andy

See Dave's explanation above:



As a side note...please don't lump all ASA umpires in an area into a category because of the two that you had. Thanks

Last time I played in a league, I once had two umpires tell me that a runner leading off in SP is an appeal play. One was a "20-year veteran."

8-7-R is one of the few rules I have memorized verbatim. Those umpires were quickly corrected that night.

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by Andy

As a side note...please don't lump all ASA umpires in an area into a category because of the two that you had. Thanks

Ive had about 15 different slow pitch ASA umps over the past 2 years, 5 of them were good, 10 were bad (1 even awarded a BR 3B on an overthrow play at 1st!!!)

Im sure that there are tons and tons of good ASA umps out there, just usually not the ones doing games I play in. maybe the good umps here do fast pitch???

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

Ive had about 15 different slow pitch ASA umps over the past 2 years, 5 of them were good, 10 were bad (1 even awarded a BR 3B on an overthrow play at 1st!!!)

Im sure that there are tons and tons of good ASA umps out there, just usually not the ones doing games I play in. maybe the good umps here do fast pitch???

Maybe you need to realize that although it's annoying, recreational league games are usually where most umps get their start.

Maybe the first word in that phrase escapes you: "recreational."

You're not going to find all rec league umps at the same level. Some call Nationals, most don't. Give me a break, it's rec league.

While it should be the goal of every umpire to be perfect the first game and to improve every game thereafter, the reality is that we're all human. We make mistakes. We're NOT perfect.

Don't expect local rec league umpires to be any different.

[qcumpire]

I've got interference. The retired runner interfered with the defensive player's opportunity to make a play on another runner (rule 8 section 7 P).

Since the player that committed interference is already out, you can not penalize him or her for the interference.

Whether the batter-runner would have been safe or out at first is irrelevent.

The penalty for the interference is applied to the runner closest to home, which in this case is the batter-runner.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by qcumpire

...Whether the batter-runner would have been safe or out at first is irrelevent....

Really? If there was no realistic opportunity for an out, there was no play that was being interfered with.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Really? If there was no realistic opportunity for an out, there was no play that was being interfered with.

Agreed. If the defense has zero chance of making a play on another runner, by rule (and by common sense), there is no INT.

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Maybe you need to realize that although it's annoying, recreational league games are usually where most umps get their start.

Maybe the first word in that phrase escapes you: "recreational."

You're not going to find all rec league umps at the same level. Some call Nationals, most don't. Give me a break, it's rec league.

While it should be the goal of every umpire to be perfect the first game and to improve every game thereafter, the reality is that we're all human. We make mistakes. We're NOT perfect.

Don't expect local rec league umpires to be any different.

I understand that SP softball will probably get the worse umpires but doesnt ASA require umps to pass a test and do a clinic to be certified??? Whats on the test???

And one league I play in, an "A" level mens league, takes itself (the league that is, not the players) way too seriously and employs 2 umps for the games when 1 is all thats necessary.

To give you another example, 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, fly ball to LC, runner on 3rd leaves really really early, runner on 2nd does not tag. The ball comes in to the infield, 3B appeals [to the PU] the runner at 3rd, the PU says its not my call, its the BU's call [which obv is not right], BU said I wasnt paying attention, safe, 3B argues to PU that not only is it his call, but regardless of whos call it actually is, did you see the runner leave early, and if so can you call him out, bc BU wasnt looking, PU says I cant overrule the BU bc it was his call. later the PU admitted he saw the runner leave early but didnt feel it was proper to overrule the BU, bc it was "his call"

basically about every other game there is a "major" misstake by the umps here that shouldnt happen, especially since the umps have to be certified. If they werent certified and we werent paying them $22/ump/team, it wouldnt be a big deal, bc you "pay for what you get"

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

I understand that SP softball will probably get the worse umpires but doesnt ASA require umps to pass a test and do a clinic to be certified??? Whats on the test???

And one league I play in, an "A" level mens league, takes itself (the league that is, not the players) way too seriously and employs 2 umps for the games when 1 is all thats necessary.

To give you another example, 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, fly ball to LC, runner on 3rd leaves really really early, runner on 2nd does not tag. The ball comes in to the infield, 3B appeals [to the PU] the runner at 3rd, the PU says its not my call, its the BU's call [which obv is not right], BU said I wasnt paying attention, safe, 3B argues to PU that not only is it his call, but regardless of whos call it actually is, did you see the runner leave early, and if so can you call him out, bc BU wasnt looking, PU says I cant overrule the BU bc it was his call. later the PU admitted he saw the runner leave early but didnt feel it was proper to overrule the BU, bc it was "his call"

basically about every other game there is a "major" misstake by the umps here that shouldnt happen, especially since the umps have to be certified. If they werent certified and we werent paying them $22/ump/team, it wouldnt be a big deal, bc you "pay for what you get"

Ha! Absolutely classical!

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Ha! Absolutely classical!

What? The whining? Or the absolute lack of knowledge when it comes to umpiring?

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

What? The whining? Or the absolute lack of knowledge when it comes to umpiring?

So was I wrong when I said that in a 2 man crew the BU has 1st and 2nd and not 3rd base???

Or was I wrong in saying the PU can override the BU???

please enlighten me, some of us are on here bc they dont know everything, and want to learn.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

I understand that SP softball will probably get the worse umpires but doesnt ASA require umps to pass a test and do a clinic to be certified??? Whats on the test???

Ahem... Speaking as an ASA SP-only umpire... Referring to SP umpires as being the "worst umpires" is, quite frankly, an insult (Oh, by the way... Nice grammar. It's "worst," not "worse," Bub.). I did not say SP umpires were a bunch of newbies. I said this is rec league play, and your expectations should follow accordingly.

Okay, fine, so you have umpires that screw up. Is it really the end of your world? I mean, really? C'mon. You get what, a t-shirt at the end of the year? And is one "major mistake" really going to ruin your night?

Get real, and rethink your priorities in life. You get zero sympathy from me, jack@ss.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Get real, and rethink your priorities in life. You get zero sympathy from me, jack@ss.

What happened Dave?

I'll see you in Salem, VA. Don't know if I will do any D games but will do E. Sent the contract a couple of days ago.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by ronald

What happened Dave?

I'll see you in Salem, VA. Don't know if I will do any D games but will do E. Sent the contract a couple of days ago.

Bah... No worries. Just found another wolf in Fechheimers.

Have you gotten your packet yet from the UIC?

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Ahem... Speaking as an ASA SP-only umpire... Referring to SP umpires as being the "worst umpires" is, quite frankly, an insult (Oh, by the way... Nice grammar. It's "worst," not "worse," Bub.). I did not say SP umpires were a bunch of newbies. I said this is rec league play, and your expectations should follow accordingly.

Okay, fine, so you have umpires that screw up. Is it really the end of your world? I mean, really? C'mon. You get what, a t-shirt at the end of the year? And is one "major mistake" really going to ruin your night?

Get real, and rethink your priorities in life. You get zero sympathy from me, jack@ss.

First off jack@ss, YOU need to take a grammar lesson. When I used the word worse, I was comparing SP to FP, saying SP would have worse umpires than FP. Worst would be the proper form if I was saying co-ed E has the worst umpires among mens A, seniors, and co-ed. Usually I find it best that when you try to insult someone, it works better if you actually know what you are talking about (How to Use Worse and Worst - wikiHow)

And no, there is no t shirt or trophy or any prize for winning, my only complaint is that I was under the impression that ALL ASA UMPS have to not only pass a test, but attend rule clinics, and most of the umps in my games do not have a great understanding of the rules. AND each ump gets paid $44/game when they dont seem to be worthy of such salary.