Definition of bat and reach first safely

[youngump]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I think you read one sentence and grasp onto it instead of trying to understand the entirety of the rule. You need to read further. Also, there is an entire section of the rule book devoted to BOO under "Batting".
You would do well to read it as well.

Please do so, then post again.

What does the section on BOO have to do with unreported substitutes? I'm planning on reading it tonight anyway, so I'll be happy to go through it, but would you like to give me a hint. I do realize that if this person was BOO instead of unreported that the action would be nullified safe or out, but that isn't the case.
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[wadeintothem]

I think understanding subs, BOO, and the RSs help the umpire gain a whole understanding of the spirit of the rules. I think if you read everything, you would know that the advanced runners would obviously be returned were the BR to be put out if noticed before the next pitch. It is the same in the rules and RS - if noticed prior to the next pitch, Out + runners return. If not noticed before the next pitch, Defense is SOL.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I think understanding subs, BOO, and the RSs help the umpire gain a whole understanding of the spirit of the rules. I think if you read everything, you would know that the advanced runners would obviously be returned were the BR to be put out if noticed before the next pitch. It is the same in the rules and RS - if noticed prior to the next pitch, Out + runners return. If not noticed before the next pitch, Defense is SOL.

I'll let you know if something I can find in the RS tonight changes my mind, but nothing in the BOO rule will do that. BOO is a different violation from an unreported sub and the penalty being less severe is a perfectly rational choice for ASA to make. Whether they intended to do so, I'm not sure. Hopefully there's a RS that helps.
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[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by youngump

I'll let you know if something I can find in the RS tonight changes my mind, but nothing in the BOO rule will do that. BOO is a different violation from an unreported sub and the penalty being less severe is a perfectly rational choice for ASA to make. Whether they intended to do so, I'm not sure. Hopefully there's a RS that helps.

Well the RS says it clearly and plainly.

Should an unreported substitute bat and it is discovered prior to the next pitch, all runners are returned to their original base, any outs recorded stand, the unreported substitute is oficially in the game and called out.

Its obvious, to me anyway, ASA's intent is that the offense not gain the advantage you think is potentially there through cheating either with BOO or subs.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Well the RS says it clearly and plainly.


Its obvious, to me anyway, ASA's intent is that the offense not gain the advantage you think is potentially there through cheating either with BOO or subs.

Agreed now that I've read, the RS provides a totally different rule -- in my opinion a better one. So, given the choice, I'm going your way on this one. (Still think BOO is completely irrelevant, though.)
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