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Chess Ref Wed Jun 03, 2009 04:47pm
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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 606549)
If you say obstruction and no one hears you.. did you really say it?
LOL :D....I'm in the minority..I say it. I get enough feedback from the players that most hear me when i say it....

argodad Wed Jun 03, 2009 05:19pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 606518)
Dave is correct, but I hate the verbalization. I have observed and personally experienced players stop playing when they hear the umpire say something IF you are going to verbalize, don't scream.
I verbalize when F3 obstructs a runner rounding first on a single to the outfield. I want the player to know that their action wasn't legal ... even though I'm not awarding the runner second base.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jun 03, 2009 05:42pm
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Originally Posted by argodad (Post 606569)
I verbalize when F3 obstructs a runner rounding first on a single to the outfield. I want the player to know that their action wasn't legal ... even though I'm not awarding the runner second base.
I do that too, after the play is complete. I always announce an OBS call whether bases are awarded or not.

ronald Wed Jun 03, 2009 05:46pm
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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 606549)
If you say obstruction and no one hears you.. did you really say it?
Yes!

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jun 03, 2009 05:48pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 606518)
Dave is correct, but I hate the verbalization. I have observed and personally experienced players stop playing when they hear the umpire say something IF you are going to verbalize, don't scream.
I never verbalize OBS at the rec levels of slow pitch. That only stops the world from turning. :rolleyes: At the higher levels, I'll verbalize it just enough for the runner and the infielders near to me to hear it, so when the play concludes and I'm awarding (if so), then there were "witnesses" who heard me have an OBS during the play.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jun 03, 2009 05:49pm
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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 606549)
If you say obstruction and no one hears you.. did you really say it?
For some reason, I want to insert a tree joke here...ya know, if a tree falls in the forest... ;)

3SPORT Wed Jun 03, 2009 06:36pm
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Originally Posted by clev1967 (Post 606330)
3rd inning of tonight's game on play where Florida runner had to be held up. SS made her alter her path to third? If you saw it do you think it was obstruction? I did. Close but she for sure altered her path to third.

Also, if it is called in that situation and she is thrown out at home and it is somewhat close do you give her home?
Interesting about whether to give her home. Especially at that level, a half step could of possibly gotten her home. We will never know how close the play would have been to come up with a conclusion.

I am surprised the Florida coach didn't have a conversation about that play. My only guess is that he didn't see it.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jun 03, 2009 06:57pm
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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 606577)
I never verbalize OBS at the rec levels of slow pitch. That only stops the world from turning. :rolleyes:
Where I had problems was in a varsity HS game...TWICE (2 different games and teams)

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At the higher levels, I'll verbalize it just enough for the runner and the infielders near to me to hear it, so when the play concludes and I'm awarding (if so), then there were "witnesses" who heard me have an OBS during the play.
I never called it at the higher levels. I don't need a witness even though everyone around the field can see my arm and no one really "needs" to hear it or know that it has been called. Their job is to play and coach the game in front of them, not to the call. All that can do is get them into trouble.

Steve M Wed Jun 03, 2009 07:10pm
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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 606579)
For some reason, I want to insert a tree joke here...ya know, if a tree falls in the forest... ;)
AND some question about what a bear might do in the woods?:rolleyes:

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jun 03, 2009 07:21pm
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Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 606585)
AND some question about what a bear might do in the woods?:rolleyes:
Be careful...you just might tempt someone else into a joke. I'll be congenial this time. :D

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jun 03, 2009 09:05pm
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Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 606585)
AND some question about what a bear might do in the woods?:rolleyes:
Save on Charmin?

NCASAUmp Wed Jun 03, 2009 09:55pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 606583)
I never called it at the higher levels. I don't need a witness even though everyone around the field can see my arm and no one really "needs" to hear it or know that it has been called. Their job is to play and coach the game in front of them, not to the call. All that can do is get them into trouble.
Most players already know if they've been obstructed or not, and most have a relatively basic understanding that being obstructed is somehow wrong. They may not know what the rules say about it, but they know that something should happen in their favor.

I guess that makes them very similar to 5-year olds.

NCASAUmp Wed Jun 03, 2009 09:56pm
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Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 606585)
AND some question about what a bear might do in the woods?:rolleyes:
I always thought the bear was Catholic and that the Pope sh1ts in the woods... Isn't that how the phrase goes?

ronald Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:01pm
Dave,

No. It goes: Does a bear sh... in the woods? and Is the Pope Catholic?

Can't tell if you are being funny.

NCASAUmp Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 606604)
Dave,

No. It goes: Does a bear sh... in the woods? and Is the Pope Catholic?

Can't tell if you are being funny.
Me? Never...

I have pondered putting "Forum's Residential Smart@$$" in my signature... :D


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