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Just rule she tripped because of the obstruction, kill the play when she is tagged, put her at first base and everyone quit making giant circumlocular arguments. |
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This BR did exactly what the rulesmakers wish; instead of running over the obstructing F3, she made the effort to avoid the collision. In doing so, she lost her balance/footing/whatever, and tripped over the bag. She could have possibly fallen, then, in 4 directions; and it strikes me that some are arguing she is in jeopardy because of the direction in which she fell, when 3 of the 4 are clearly protected in ANY circumstance? If you (not addressed to vcblue, the generic "you") can't figure out how she is protected on this play, you might want to reconsider why you are out there. |
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Some based on the theory that she was obstructed before 1b :rolleyes: Some based on the theory falling over first is not over running it :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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Well, let's think about that. If obstructed before the base, and falls back toward home, then cannot be out by OBS rule. If falls forward toward right field, that HAS to be considered overrunning the base. If falls to the right, then (this may be the fallacy in my assumption about 3 sides), then SHOULD NOT be in jeopardy, since "turned" to the right.
So, the only side remaining is fell to the left. |
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So 'old man' take a deep breath and remember to use all those hours buried in a rule book for something good. New umpires come on here to understand the rules better and get some help. Maybe you can turn off the ego and actually help people. |
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And I'm sure a lot of umps had to deal with a coach like you. Take a pill. Ted |
Originally Posted by vcblue
However, if it was my judgment that she was rounding first to go to second I would not protect her to second due to the earlier obstruction. I would rule her out and get ready to explain to the OC that the obstruction happened before first, and she was protected to first. And, in my judgment she would not have reached second therefore she is out. In the above post she cannot be out. If the obstruction happens prior to BR reaching first, the play is dead and obstruction awards are made. Subsequent out cannot take place. What are you talking about??? (in bold) The OBS happened before first base and she is protected to first. Now if my "what-if" scenario she decides to continue on to second and is tag out, and in my judgment she would not have made second, she's out. Pretty simple - well that is if other rule sets are the same. In NSA, "The ball is dead and not in play p. When a play is being made on an obstructed runner, or if the batter-runner is obstructed before he/she reaches first base." In your example you said no protection past first because obstruction was before first. If so the play is dead. Is this unique to NSA?? PS: I do not know how to show quotes from previous posts in blue like many of you do. Sorry - it would make it easier to read, but....... |
Must be unique to NSA. ASA you are protect between the base where the OBS occurred. The ball is not dead until the runner is put out. The you kill it and award the proper base. However, in your judgment, if the runner attempts another base, and is tagged out before reaching that base you can award her that base. Otherwise she is out.
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At least you are done asking questions here. One less clueless troll. |
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Otherwise, do NOT let the door bruise your @$$ on the way out. And stay the hell away from any field I am on. |
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well a troll coach. You think you are the first troll coach we've seen? You give yourself way too much credit. You are a dime a dozen. Shooo. |
Certain uninformed persons / tolls have filled this thread with so much misinformation and mythical rules that it is nearly unreadable.
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