Call out changes/subs or wander around tracking people?

[wadeintothem]

My thinking is more along the lines of Mikes. It doesnt matter to me a lot what the scorekeeper does. I have it on my card. I realize some preventative umpiring is likely in order and I will try to say it to where the coach and score keeper get it at the same time, but I address the coach.

What got this post going was remembering the time the score keeper was off getting a hot dog or something and that caused an even bigger delay as he looked lost.. finnally giving it to a different parent who sits next to the scorekeeper.

However, the bottom line is - it seems to me there is no ASA standard on this and its up to an individual umpire's discretion as to how they do it. That's fine, I was just checking.

That is what kind of what aI thought, which is why I didnt say anything to him. It was painful though.

[wadeintothem]

As a clarification - If I have an "official" paid score keeper who is essentially part of my crew, I will always make sure they know. My discussion is involving the Mommys/Daddys who could be sitting anywhere doing lord knows what. In Men's ball I usually have one of the real score keepers and of course big tournies. NCAA is the same way. You arent wandering around the stadium looking for the lady under the 3rd umbrella.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

My thinking is more along the lines of Mikes. It doesnt matter to me a lot what the scorekeeper does. I have it on my card. I realize some preventative umpiring is likely in order and I will try to say it to where the coach and score keeper get it at the same time, but I address the coach.

What got this post going was remembering the time the score keeper was off getting a hot dog or something and that caused an even bigger delay as he looked lost.. finnally giving it to a different parent who sits next to the scorekeeper.

However, the bottom line is - it seems to me there is no ASA standard on this and its up to an individual umpire's discretion as to how they do it. That's fine, I was just checking.

That is what kind of what aI thought, which is why I didnt say anything to him. It was painful though.

Page 52 of the ASA 2009 Umpire Manual

The manager or team representative of the team making the substitution shall notify the plate umpire at the time the substitute enters. The plate umpire shall then report the change to the scorer.

Sounds like a standard to me. Am I missing something?

I realize that for wreck league ball we might be a little more lenient on this in order to speed the game up, but there is a standard.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rwest

Page 52 of the ASA 2009 Umpire Manual

The manager or team representative of the team making the substitution shall notify the plate umpire at the time the substitute enters. The plate umpire shall then report the change to the scorer.

Sounds like a standard to me. Am I missing something?

Yes, not all games have an official scorer INCLUDING nationals at certain locations. I've never seen an official scorere at a state or regional tournament. Every place does it a little differently.

SteveM, tell them who kept the score and clock at your national.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yes, not all games have an official scorer INCLUDING nationals at certain locations. I've never seen an official scorere at a state or regional tournament. Every place does it a little differently.

SteveM, tell them who kept the score and clock at your national.

Wow! That's amazing! I understand when there is no official scorer we do what we have to do, but to say ASA doesn't have a standard, isn't exactly correct either. That's what I was getting at.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rwest

Wow! That's amazing! I understand when there is no official scorer we do what we have to do, but to say ASA doesn't have a standard, isn't exactly correct either. That's what I was getting at.

I did not say there wasn't a standard, but that doesn't mean it is always met.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I did not say there wasn't a standard, but that doesn't mean it is always met.

The author of this thread did and that was who I was referring to when I say that there is a standard. I agree it is not always met, but there is a rule to go by when we have an official scorer.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yes, not all games have an official scorer INCLUDING nationals at certain locations. I've never seen an official scorere at a state or regional tournament. Every place does it a little differently.

SteveM, tell them who kept the score and clock at your national.

Why, it was the plate umpire - so it was entirely proper to record the change on the lineup card and then notify the head coach of the other team.