Originally Posted by azbigdawg (Post 578297)

Mike still owes me a beer for his public "oops" on this one.....

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 578301)

Wait a minute! Seems to me, I picked up a nice sized check on Saturday night...or was it Sunday morning?. I think it covered about six states. ;)

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 578337)

Region 4 was well represented. Your NC representatives (Phil, BJ and Al) opted out from the extracurricular (although I did drink with Al one dinner).

And there were several of those checks to go around. Our checks did represent GA, AZ, DE, PA, MD, NE and TX, as best I recall.

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 578337)

And there were several of those checks to go around. Our checks did represent GA, AZ, DE, PA, MD, NE and TX, as best I recall.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 578267)

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After making a fool of myself by questioning the requirement of "next play" thanks to a brain fart that reverted to "appeal" as opposed to protest, it was explained, if I remember correctly as that is not the manner in which that qualification was intended.

Someone can correct me if wrong. The line of thought was that by using this to refuse the appeal, you are pretty much giving the offending team a break.

However, the more I think about it, I don't believe there really is a problem with the sentence. If used as I believe it was meant, in the play above the misinterpretation of the rule occurred when the umpire determined there was no violation by the BR.

Hence, there was no play between the misinterpretation and the protest. A team cannot protest an interpretation prior to it being made.

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 578454)

Are you the person writing some of those ASA test questions? :rolleyes:

Ted

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 578454)

Are you the person writing some of those ASA test questions? :rolleyes:

Ted

Originally Posted by greymule (Post 578599)

We should be careful about applying the baseball concept of "continuing action" to softball.

R1 on 2B. B2 hits a grounder to F6, who fakes R1 back to 2B and then throws to 1B. B2 beats the throw but touches only the white (i.e., misses 1B). The ball gets away from F3.

B2 advances to 2B. R1 rounds 3B and stands 20 feet down the line, trying to draw a throw. F3 runs the ball in and chases R1 all the way back to 3B. F3 then hands the ball to F1, who is standing next to her near 3B. As F3 returns to her position, F1 walks toward the circle while R1 stands on 3B talking to the 3B coach. Several seconds later, just before F1 enters the circle, R1 breaks for home. F1 throws home in an attempt to get R1 (outcome doesn't matter).

The defense now appeals B2's miss of 1B.

In ASA, regardless of how much or what type of action occurs after a baserunning error, the defense can appeal until the next pitch, legal or illegal (or the infielders have vacated, or last play of game and umpires have left, etc.). Therefore, the appeal should be upheld.

In OBR, the intervening play—after the stoppage of continuing action—would void the right of the defense to appeal.

(Note: Fed and NCAA baseball don't follow OBR exactly in this area. I'm not sure, but I think they recognize continuing versus relaxed action but do not void an appeal if the offense initiates the intervening play.)

The concept of continuing versus relaxed action certainly complicates the game, but remember that in baseball, runners can break for the next base at any time that the ball is live, such as when the pitcher is getting the sign. In OBR, in theory, several batters could bat without the ball becoming dead. This of course is not true in softball. And (except for Babe Ruth), softball permits dead ball appeals, which OBR does not.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 578392)

I believe NM & DC may have also been at the table for at least one round.

Have no idea why the Great Northwest chose to not to share a beverage or two.

Originally Posted by SRW (Post 578719)

Yeah, we shared. We just didn't know where the f*k you were. We were typically in the bar across from the training rooms, or we retired to someone's room and sat around shooting the schitt and drinking crown.

Sorry we missed ya. Sounds like the umpire communication broke down. :)

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 578748)

No kidding. Mike posted here before the convention, as well as during, that we would be at Chisolm's, not the Bombay Club.

Actually, we did attend the Bombay Club Thursday night, since Chisolm's closed early. We stayed with Rod and the Alaska group pretty late that night. But Friday and Saturday we went to Chisolm's; we had an "arrangement" with the barkeep that was mutually advantageous.

In fact, it was so advantageous that AZBIGDOG drank MY BEER!!

Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 577270)

The BR is always referred to as the BR until the time she becomes a runner. In the course of one play, the BR will not become a R. I know of no one who describes plays in that manner, unless it is the little ball folk.

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 578748)

No kidding. Mike posted here before the convention, as well as during, that we would be at Chisolm's, not the Bombay Club.

Actually, we did attend the Bombay Club Thursday night, since Chisolm's closed early. We stayed with Rod and the Alaska group pretty late that night. But Friday and Saturday we went to Chisolm's; we had an "arrangement" with the barkeep that was mutually advantageous.

In fact, it was so advantageous that AZBIGDOG drank MY BEER!!