Check Swing Mechanic

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Originally Posted by ntxblue

Is that followed with a do-si-do?

Only in TEXAS, only in TEXAS.

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Originally Posted by ntxblue

Is that followed with a do-si-do?

Only in TEXAS, only in TEXAS.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

Personally, when the batter checks and I determine a swing, I point with the left, give a verbal of "yes!", stand, and make the hammer with my right. I don't change my point if it's a LHB or a RHB. (Perhaps I should?)

Mike, I'm curious why you're interested in this... did you have a SP batter who checked his swing?

An umpire was recently corrected concerning this specific mechanic. I never really paid attention to this part of the mechanic and the very experienced umpire never heard of such a mechanic.

[Tru_in_Blu]

I think the question here doesn't merit any discussion about asking a partner for his/her opinion. If, as the HP umpire, you have decided that the batter did indeed swing or offer at a pitch that would have been a ball otherwise, you then declare that the batter swung at or offered at [bunt] the pitch.

If the pitch was in the strike zone, just call the strike. If anyone argues because they saw the batter check the swing, just say the pitch was a called strike regardless.

Now, if you've decided the batter has offered at a pitch that would have been a ball, the mechanic listed in the books is:

"The plate umpire should let everyone know that the batter swung at the ball by pointing at the batter with the left hand for right handed batters or the right hand for left handed batters, then give a strong verbal confirmation accompanied by a strike signal. Remove all doubt that the batter swung at the pitch."

RS10 also talks about the check swing, but doesn't get into the mechanics. One part I like about RS10 is in regards to the bunt attempt:

"On a bunt attempt where the batter puts the bat across the plate and the pitched ball is out of the strike zone, a ball should be called unless the batter moves the bat toward the ball."

A lot of coaches complain when the offensive player just leaves the bat out there without moving it. But if the batter doesn't move the bat toward the ball, it's not an offer.

I do a lot of single umpire games, both fast and 'sno-pitch, so I usually end up making a call on a check swing myself. Rarely will the catcher ask in a 2 umpire game, and then we'll go through the appeal step.

Ted

[Steve M]

Ted,

"A lot of coaches complain when the offensive player just leaves the bat out there without moving it. But if the batter doesn't move the bat toward the ball, it's not an offer."

It depends on the sanctioning body as to whether that's an accurate statement. Since NCAA rules that a strike - and Fed will rule it a strike in 2009 - I would not be too surprised to see ASA go that way too.

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OK, we know that there are four [4] associations that require the
bat to be withdrawn during the delivery of a pitch or that pitch will
be called a "strike" regardless of location. [NCAA, AFA, NAFA & NFHS]

Why? I believe that in NCAA coaches decide most rules. Do they want
this one to sort of balance out the offense/defense. By leaving the
bat over the plate area, a batter is in a way, hinding the catcher from
making a quality throw on a steal attempt.

I cannot see any other reason for a rule such as this. The first time I had
to call this rule was AFA, and the pitch was in the dirt. The second time
was NCAA and the pitch was over batter's, catcher's and my head.

Looks kinda silly. I know, you call the association that brung you to the
dance.

[Dakota]

What I found insulting was the rationale the NFHS used... makes it easier for the umpire! Bah!

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

What I found insulting was the rationale the NFHS used... makes it easier for the umpire! Bah!

The reality is that it makes it easier for the coach. You know, none of that "umpire judgement" stuff to ruin their perfectly decent argument.