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Dakota Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:53am

Guys, this is a foul ball by rule. ASA 1-FOUL BALL-G; NFHS 2-25-1-g; all others somewhere, I'm sure.

whiskers_ump Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:35am

OK, I am the quilty umpire that had the play. Have looked it up, and now
believe that I got the call correct.

This was an excellent game [ending up 1-0 in favor of the team that was on
defense during the questionable play.] I certainly did not want it to effect
the game in any way. Being behind the play, all I saw was catcher take the
ball from her knees. Coach never asked me to get help, [probably should
have on my own, but did not]

CecilOne Fri Jul 11, 2008 01:47pm

Besides NSA, which rules care about "higher than the batter's head"?

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jul 11, 2008 02:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota
Guys, this is a foul ball by rule. ASA 1-FOUL BALL-G; NFHS 2-25-1-g; all others somewhere, I'm sure.

Actually, ASA's definition of Foul Ball does not support a foul ball ruling. However, as previously cited, RS #22 does.

Dakota Fri Jul 11, 2008 02:39pm

You mean their goofy grammar? ("another" fielder)?

canump Fri Jul 11, 2008 03:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CecilOne
Besides NSA, which rules care about "higher than the batter's head"?

our rule book up here north of the border has that wording.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jul 11, 2008 06:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota
You mean their goofy grammar? ("another" fielder)?

That's not goofy, but quite meaningful. It avoids the argument of a ball coming off the catcher's glove and being caught by another fielder for a "foul tip" or an out.

CajunNewBlue Sat Jul 12, 2008 07:01am

Glen did a great job calling this game.... and got a call right even though he temporarily thought he might have missed it... (experience pays off always!!)... but I am a little surprised that so many different opinions on this type of call exist here on this forum and with the people i have talked to about this around here. of course it didnt get as many replies as one guys "what color ball bag should i wear?" topic :D

BTW: whats wrong with my grammar?.... ohhh thats right im a cajun we cant even spell grammar. lol

GrumpUmp Sat Jul 12, 2008 07:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CecilOne
Besides NSA, which rules care about "higher than the batter's head"?

DSI - Dixie softball

greymule Sat Jul 12, 2008 09:45am

Does NSA, or any another "higher than the batter's head" code, claim that a ball that does not travel higher than the batter's head must be a foul tip? (Answer: No. The phrase is in no way a defining element.)

ASA removed the wording out of recognition that a ball could be lower than the batter's head and not be foul tip, and also that a ball could be higher than the batter's head and still be a foul tip.

Therefore, the phrase was useless and served merely to confuse.

Tex Sun Jul 13, 2008 08:10pm

Here is a link to Cactus Umpires which discusses foul tip / foul ball.
http://www.cactusumpires.com/pages/s.../foul-tip.html

GrumpUmp Sun Jul 13, 2008 08:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex
Here is a link to Cactus Umpires which discusses foul tip / foul ball.
http://www.cactusumpires.com/pages/s.../foul-tip.html

Which is based on NFHS rules and interpretation.


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