F2 drops ball on tag while blocking plate

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Once again, revisionist memory. Here (since you apparently need it) is the OP, with parts highlighted for your consideration:
Now, we have F2 blocking the plate, F2 does not have the ball, and R1 must go around (albeit only a reach) to get to the plate. Was this OBS? Don't know. Wasn't there. But, the answer is most certainly NOT to give the call to whoever tags / touches first. The answer is if the runner was impeded, you have OBS regardless of who tags / touches first.

Hey, I said even in that first post if there was something weird you could have OBS.

Were just going around in circles, and I've been down this road already.

There was no obs.. in my view.. so no call.. he who wins wins.

Do you think you are saying something different?

I know I'm not.

OK fine, throw out the arm.. since the runner was safe anyway, and not impeded.. but now you can feel like you had a part in the play, no matter insignificant that part was. No one is gonna argue since shes safe anyway and this was a nice safe call. And you were indeed part of something special and got to enforce some rule when you didnt need to.

[Dakota]

You really are an a$$. You "misremember" what you say, and you ignore what I say and then try to put words in my mouth. You came onto this board a few years ago with nothing but troll-like posts and you are now back to that behavior. You've done little here the last several weeks but name-call and intentionally try to antagonize people. I don't know what you think you are doing, but you are mainly posting drivel.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Dakota

You really are an a$$. You "misremember" what you say, and you ignore what I say and then try to put words in my mouth. You came onto this board a few years ago with nothing but troll-like posts and you are now back to that behavior. You've done little here the last several weeks but name-call and intentionally try to antagonize people. I don't know what you think you are doing, but you are mainly posting drivel.

Stop insulting donkeys!

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by Dakota

You really are an a$$. You "misremember" what you say, and you ignore what I say and then try to put words in my mouth. You came onto this board a few years ago with nothing but troll-like posts and you are now back to that behavior. You've done little here the last several weeks but name-call and intentionally try to antagonize people. I don't know what you think you are doing, but you are mainly posting drivel.

Dakota, if you feel that way, why keep encouraging him

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Dakota, if you feel that way, why keep encouraging him

he encourages him because everyone on this board supposedly couldnt even carry wades jock strap.... at least thats what he told me after arguing so much in the wrong... I think he has a need to just win arguements so he argues so much until the other side just gives up....even if he is wrong. He makes up rules .... he makes up mechanics... Im just glad I dont have to work and compensate for him... I feel sorry for any who do ...

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

he encourages him because everyone on this board supposedly couldnt even carry wades jock strap.... at least thats what he told me after arguing so much in the wrong... I think he has a need to just win arguements so he argues so much until the other side just gives up....even if he is wrong. He makes up rules .... he makes up mechanics... Im just glad I dont have to work and compensate for him... I feel sorry for any who do ...

I make up no mechanics or rules ya schmuck. Everything I do on the field is right out of the book.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I make up no mechanics or rules ya schmuck. Everything I do on the field is right out of the book.

HAHA like I said previously to where you called me a "gooberboy" its your rule book .. or manual.... which change as much as a cameleon running scared

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

HAHA like I said previously to where you called me a "gooberboy" its your rule book .. or manual.... which change as much as a cameleon running scared

Wade rule #1213.23

7th grade educated grits for brains Virginia boys should not be allowed to make up analogies.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

he encourages him because everyone on this board supposedly couldnt even carry wades jock strap.... at least thats what he told me after arguing so much in the wrong... I think he has a need to just win arguements so he argues so much until the other side just gives up....even if he is wrong. He makes up rules .... he makes up mechanics... Im just glad I dont have to work and compensate for him... I feel sorry for any who do ...

kcg.....cmon.....really?

[snorman75]

What a thread.

For this play, ONLY, do we have obstruction? I say no, the runner made it home safe. Obstruction is a delayed dead ball. If the runner does not make it, well then we are off to the races of this thread. But as soon as she made it home without being tagged you kill the delayed dead ball and call her safe.


Just a little logic theory: We can not have obstruction since she was safe at home. There are no bases to be awarded, and she scored. How was she obstructed from advancing to home? Since she made it you can not have her safe on obstruction, her making it home wipes everything that happened before that away. (Just think about it outside of the rules)

I want to read my rule book on another view too. More to come maybe.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by snorman75

What a thread.

For this play, ONLY, do we have obstruction? I say no, the runner made it home safe. Obstruction is a delayed dead ball. If the runner does not make it, well then we are off to the races of this thread. But as soon as she made it home without being tagged you kill the delayed dead ball and call her safe.

Never mind the point of why call her safe on Obstruction when that only complicates the situation, when she is safe anyway.

I want to read my rule book on another view too. More to come maybe.

If she's safe we don't kill the play. The only time we kill it, is if the runner is out on a play where there is obstruction and we had her protected to the point where she was tagged out. Why kill the play if she is safe? The defense may have an opportunity to get an out at another base.


Never Mind! I re-read this. I thought you meant kill the play. Now I see you meant kill the delay dead ball!

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by snorman75

What a thread.

For this play, ONLY, do we have obstruction? I say no, the runner made it home safe. Obstruction is a delayed dead ball. If the runner does not make it, well then we are off to the races of this thread. But as soon as she made it home without being tagged you kill the delayed dead ball and call her safe.


Just a little logic theory: We can not have obstruction since she was safe at home. There are no bases to be awarded, and she scored. How was she obstructed from advancing to home? Since she made it you can not have her safe on obstruction, her making it home wipes everything that happened before that away. (Just think about it outside of the rules)

I want to read my rule book on another view too. More to come maybe.

Obstruction is Obstruction
Award is Award
Non-Award is Non-Award

Three separate things, OBS can occur even when there is no play on that runner or none at all. The Award or Non-Award is then umpire judgement on what would have happened without the OBS.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by snorman75

What a thread.

For this play, ONLY, do we have obstruction? I say no, the runner made it home safe. Obstruction is a delayed dead ball. If the runner does not make it, well then we are off to the races of this thread. But as soon as she made it home without being tagged you kill the delayed dead ball and call her safe.


Just a little logic theory: We can not have obstruction since she was safe at home. There are no bases to be awarded, and she scored. How was she obstructed from advancing to home? Since she made it you can not have her safe on obstruction, her making it home wipes everything that happened before that away. (Just think about it outside of the rules)

I want to read my rule book on another view too. More to come maybe.

My concern here is that you seem to believe that it is not OBS because the runner scored.

That is wrong. There was OBS. The fact that no bases are awarded does not mean the violation did not occur or should be recognized by the umpire.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Hey, I said even in that first post if there was something weird you could have OBS.

Were just going around in circles, and I've been down this road already.

There was no obs.. in my view.. so no call.. he who wins wins.

Do you think you are saying something different?

I know I'm not.

OK fine, throw out the arm.. since the runner was safe anyway, and not impeded.. but now you can feel like you had a part in the play, no matter insignificant that part was. No one is gonna argue since shes safe anyway and this was a nice safe call. And you were indeed part of something special and got to enforce some rule when you didnt need to.

The runner WAS impeded. Just because she scored does not mean the Catcher was not guilty of Obstruction. I have had a plethora of Obstruction calls that have ended up without a reward. I would think that you have had many of them, as well-unless Home Plate is not your only "whatever happens is ok" area of the field.

Joe in Missouri

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

The runner WAS impeded. Just because she scored does not mean the Catcher was not guilty of Obstruction. I have had a plethora of Obstruction calls that have ended up without a reward. I would think that you have had many of them, as well-unless Home Plate is not your only "whatever happens is ok" area of the field.

Joe in Missouri

The only reason you think the runner was impeded is because you think a catcher blocking the base = runner impeded.

You didnt see obs.