NCAA 3 Person Mechanics

[socalumps]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Well, then you may want to suggest he check page 182 of the ASA book:

Calling an Infield Fly:

The plate umpire has the responsibility for judging and calling an infield fly. The infield fly is judged when the ball is at tits highest point. The plate umpire then verbalizes "Infield Fly" or if near a line, "Infield Fly, if fair".

What?

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Well, then you may want to suggest he check page 182 of the ASA book:

Calling an Infield Fly:

The plate umpire has the responsibility for judging and calling an infield fly. The infield fly is judged when the ball is at tits highest point. The plate umpire then verbalizes "Infield Fly" or if near a line, "Infield Fly, if fair".

I was talking about ASA 3 umpire system, no one on, 1B umpire chases...who has call at first

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

I was talking about ASA 3 umpire system, no one on, 1B umpire chases...who has call at first

No. Who is ON first.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Well, then you may want to suggest he check page 182 of the ASA book:

Calling an Infield Fly:

The plate umpire has the responsibility for judging and calling an infield fly. The infield fly is judged when the ball is at tits highest point. The plate umpire then verbalizes "Infield Fly" or if near a line, "Infield Fly, if fair".

That must be for the Amazon Warrior division.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Who is setting me up here? I never posted that.

Or, at least I don't remember posting it.

Okay, okay. I was in the wrong thread. Late night fatigue.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

By NCAA the manual says that with no one on and u1 goes Pu is supposed to move to 15-18ft awa from 1st and watch runner touch as well take any play at first.... why on earth would you make U3 run all the way acrossed just to have a crappy view and most likely crappy distance.now on a tag up or with runners in scoring posistion its different. but really a little common sense/ reading the whole manual not just parts would show you that PU has that touch and Call at first

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

By NCAA the manual says that with no one on and u1 goes Pu is supposed to move to 15-18ft awa from 1st and watch runner touch as well take any play at first.... why on earth would you make U3 run all the way acrossed just to have a crappy view and most likely crappy distance.now on a tag up or with runners in scoring posistion its different. but really a little common sense/ reading the whole manual not just parts would show you that PU has that touch and Call at first

Maybe because the entire play is just as much in front of U3 as it is the PU and requires no additional effort on U3's behalf. And exactly how close does an umpire need to be to watch a touch of the base? The diamond isn't that big. If you think it is, try working a 3-umpire system on a 80' base diamond.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Unfourtunately you are correct in the sense that it is just as easy to see a touch from u3 as it is from pu I gues my MAIN point should have been that on the possible throw back it will be the MOST optimal view from PU not from U3 and the question was on NCAA mechanics... this is the Softball forum...Last time I checked NCAA Womens fast pitch didnt play on 80ft bases... So According to the NCAA Fastpitch Softball manual this is the best person to see the touch and to have the throwback... I would hate to disagree with the national umpire improvement program ... especially when I 100 percent agree with the mechanic

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

Unfourtunately you are correct in the sense that it is just as easy to see a touch from u3 as it is from pu I gues my MAIN point should have been that on the possible throw back it will be the MOST optimal view from PU not from U3 and the question was on NCAA mechanics... this is the Softball forum...Last time I checked NCAA Womens fast pitch didnt play on 80ft bases... So According to the NCAA Fastpitch Softball manual this is the best person to see the touch and to have the throwback... I would hate to disagree with the national umpire improvement program ... especially when I 100 percent agree with the mechanic

kcg. Just some courtesy tips to make your posts a little easier to read. Punctuate your sentences. When a thought ends, place a period there. Slow down, and try spell checking your posts before you make them. Little things like this make it much easier on the rest of us to understand the intent of your post.

Now, to the issue you brought up with the NCAA UIP. The manual released by the CCA is an excellent tool. I follow it to the T, or at least try to, when I am working the collegiate game. However, it is only intended for use in the college game. It does not supercede the mechanics put forth by ASA or NFHS for their respective games. Would I like to use the collegiate mechanics in all games? Yes, for the most part. However, to prevent confusion with my non-collegiate colleagues, I will follow the mechanics prescribed by the organization governing the game I am working. I suggest you adopt this philosophy as well.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

this is the Softball forum

That would be correct. Welcome.

...Last time I checked NCAA Womens fast pitch didnt play on 80ft bases...

No, but YOU asked the question and I simply answered it.

I was not the individual who introduced ASA of NFHS to the thread as a comparable source of mechanics, but did follow it up. And being a SOFTBALL board and we are talking variable SOFTBALL mechanics, the last major level SOFTBALL national I worked was the 3-umpire system on an 80' diamond.

So According to the NCAA Fastpitch Softball manual this is the best person to see the touch and to have the throwback... I would hate to disagree with the national umpire improvement program ... especially when I 100 percent agree with the mechanic

And that is fine, when in Rome.....

That doesn't mean everyone must fall in line. Been there, done that. Just don't agree it provides any better view.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

And that is fine, when in Rome.....

That doesn't mean everyone must fall in line. Been there, done that. Just don't agree it provides any better view.

Forgive me for not using proper English in my previous posts. I most certainly make an effort to punctuate my sentences properly and make everyone happy with that.

In regards to your opinion that the Plate Umpire coming up the line does not provide a better view my response is this: I agree with you if and only if you are speaking about strictly watching the touch. However, I whole-heartedly disagree with you if you are talking about a possible tag play.

In my experience the best place to be on a tag play is with your belt buckle lined up with the "Action Edge" , or the edge where the runner is sliding back in to the base, and being closed down on the base approximately 6 feet away so that you get the "Fourth Dimension" or the over the top look to the tag. If the plate umpire sees a tag play forming then the plate umpire should close down to tag play calling depth and make said call.

The Question that was put up here was about NCAA mechanics. The reason I sarcastically responded to your 80 ft base comment was because again its not going to ever be the case ( unless the game COMPLETELY CHANGES) that in a NCAA womens softball that we will have an 80 ft base path. I don't understand why you would throw the 80 ft into a question about NCAA mechanics.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

In my experience the best place to be on a tag play is with your belt buckle lined up with the "Action Edge" , or the edge where the runner is sliding back in to the base, and being closed down on the base approximately 6 feet away so that you get the "Fourth Dimension" or the over the top look to the tag. If the plate umpire sees a tag play forming then the plate umpire should close down to tag play calling depth and make said call.

I do not understand why U1 would be out on a ball hit so sharp and close that there would be a throw back to 1B. If it was deep ball, U3 should have plenty of time to get into position to see the play and make the call.

The Question that was put up here was about NCAA mechanics. The reason I sarcastically responded to your 80 ft base comment was because again its not going to ever be the case ( unless the game COMPLETELY CHANGES) that in a NCAA womens softball that we will have an 80 ft base path. I don't understand why you would throw the 80 ft into a question about NCAA mechanics.

Apparently, comprehension isn't a strong suit with you either. There were 13 (of 14) follow up posts mentioning ASA and/or NFHS prior to my first response and I specifically noted the query was for NCAA.

My more recent post was simply my opinion of the NCAA mechanic. "Opinions" are another thing we do on this forum. Then, silly me, I thought an offer of a distance comparison with which I, and a handful or so other umpires, are familiar might help. Guess not.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

I am not debating with you (IRISHMAFIA) about asa and fed but when I mention something that is strictly answering in NCAA why would you try to put me down with a fact totally irrelevant to the question in which I was answering? so it sounds pretty silly to me to do such a thing... As for why u1 would be out... trap catch where right fielder decides to pull up instead of diving for it thus giving her time to make a throw to first. or if a sharp hit line drive that has catch/no catch or possibly fair foul situations where u1 would need to go and the batter runner rounds first to much for the player taking the cut off throw to second and a pick off throw back into second. Any variation on those would be PLENTY of reason why u1 would chase and why PU would need to be there for that call. So opinion or not... now way you can see anything or be in any posistion to make a call as u3.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

I am not debating with you (IRISHMAFIA) about asa and fed but when I mention something that is strictly answering in NCAA why would you try to put me down with a fact totally irrelevant to the question in which I was answering?

Using a comparable distance that was, at that time, used in the softball world is putting you down?

so it sounds pretty silly to me to do such a thing... As for why u1 would be out... trap catch where right fielder decides to pull up instead of diving for it thus giving her time to make a throw to first. or if a sharp hit line drive that has catch/no catch or possibly fair foul situations where u1 would need to go and the batter runner rounds first to much for the player taking the cut off throw to second and a pick off throw back into second.
Any variation on those would be PLENTY of reason why u1 would chase and why PU would need to be there for that call. So opinion or not... now way you can see anything or be in any posistion to make a call as u3.

Well, actually I once could on a 60'-65' field. And I will again especially now that I had my new bionic knee installed . And I know at least a couple members on this board that could accomplish that task and they don't have new knees.

I'm not saying it is easy, but very possible and requires some serious hustle. But then again, that is what we are supposed to be doing anyway.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I'm not saying it is easy, but very possible and requires some serious hustle. But then again, that is what we are supposed to be doing anyway.

I agree that it is not easy and that its totally possible. Thats just it though itsPOSSIBLE which is not what I would want. The PU has 52 to 54 feet to get in calling depth and position where as U3 has 80 or more feet(my masters degree was in marketing not math) to cover to get in OK position not the best possible position which in addition to hustle is a HUGE priority if not the #1 priority as an umpire. That being said the PU has the best opportunity to get in the best position and see the play/touch at first. And as for myself I know I COULD get there but it would be a struggle to get in the best calling position/depth and if I didn't do that then well I would feel bad for not doing my job.