Had this play- and no one was happy..including me

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NM FP Ump

I will have to rule “interference” on the BR, as there was contact between F2 and BR. Kill the play right then and there, and the 3 ft. lane issue disappears. Sure, both BR and F2 are slow to get the play started (based on the presumed trajectory of the hit ball) but that circumstance did not affect the play at all.

How long would you like the BR to wait for the catcher to clear before attempting to advance to 1B?

[NM FP Ump]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

How long would you like the BR to wait for the catcher to clear before attempting to advance to 1B?

I wouldn't want the BR to wait at all. I would like to have her swing at the pitch and, if she hits it, run to first base (like her coach has instructed her to do). By remaining stationary, she has invited the interference call.

I am interpreting the play using NFHS rules (and only 2 years of OJT) and not ASA rules (and your vast knowledge and OJT). Maybe I still need some educating....

I should have asked this question first: "Which ruleset was this game played under?"

[WestMichBlue]

Originally Posted by NM FP Ump

I am interpreting the play using NFHS rules (and only 2 years of OJT) and not ASA rules (and your vast knowledge and OJT). Maybe I still need some educating....

I should have asked this question first: "Which ruleset was this game played under?"

Scott - you can't get "educated" if you don't listen. You followed the expert's post by stating that you weren't buying it.

Both ASA and NFHS agree that if contact occurs between the B-R and F2 in the batter's boxes or within a couple steps, that both are doing what is expected of them and the correct call is - - - - No Call! Play on!

I have that in writing from a member of the NFHS Softball Rules Committee. You should check your NFHS umpires manual, page 46 - Collisions.


WMB

[NM FP Ump]

WMB,

Thanks for citing the umpires manual, that helps me understand the area that I am obviously having trouble with.

IRISHMAFIA,

I guess I still do need some educating.

[Andy]

I could be reading something into the OP, but here is my take:

Since there seemed to have been a delay from the time the ball was hit until the batter-runner started for first base, I say that the BR was not doing what she was supposed to be doing. She should be running as soon as she makes contact with the ball. Since she was standing there in the batter's box watching the ball, she interfered with F2's attempt to play the ball - I've got interference.

[Stu Clary]

But Andy, couldn't the same be said of the catcher?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

I could be reading something into the OP, but here is my take:

Since there seemed to have been a delay from the time the ball was hit until the batter-runner started for first base, I say that the BR was not doing what she was supposed to be doing.

She must have thought it was foul and the umpire wasn't making verbal foul calls in this game.

Sorry, couldn't help myself

[wadeintothem]

hmmm hmmm hmmm..

Well as much as I hate being wrong.. that never stopped me before.

INT could very well have been a good call...

The application directive regarding BR/F2 train wreck applies when everyone is doing what they are supposed to be doing.. it is not all encompassing.


A batter standing in the batter box drooling on herself while the catcher is trying to get a batted ball..

Would not fall within that parameter.

I got no problem with the call or no call (no call is what was made).. but train wreck does not _always_ apply with BR/F2.

In fact, its darn near intentional when everyone is yelling at you to run and you just cant figure out what to do.

OBS isnt even in the picture or realm of possibility.

[IRISHMAFIA]

As previously posted, this is a play that one has to see to make a decision and there is no one-size-fits-all answer.

[Thurman15]

Originally Posted by Andy

... the BR was not doing what she was supposed to be doing. She should be running as soon as she makes contact with the ball. . .

Where in the rule book does it say what the batter is supposed to be, or must be doing? As long as the BR is not intentionally interefering with the defense, can't the BR opt to remain in the batter's box? What about the BR who remains in the box to watch a fly ball?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Thurman15

What about the BR who remains in the box to watch a fly ball?

She'll probably have a coach yelling at her to run.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by Dakota

She'll probably have a coach yelling at her to run.

Ah come on, they're only
OOOOOOOps, wrong thread.

[kfo9494]

It was NF high school
thanks for the responce- and since this was my first game of the year things can only get better (I hope).
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this was a play that was hard to call unless you see the play. I agree with the no Obstruction since F2 was trying for the ball.
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Sorry if this has already been talked about but sometimes you think you have seen everything until you call your next game.