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Old Tue Jul 31, 2007, 01:18pm
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Well, that is sort of my point.
Gotta work on your delivery, Mike.
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Old Tue Jul 31, 2007, 02:05pm
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Cruelty to dogs is more outrageous than wife/girlfriend beating to people with this PETA mindset and to the lemmings in the public who follow along.
Okay. If only life was so black and white. I don't have the Peta mindset and I am not a public lemming. But I can admit to what Greymule said. My dogs give me endless and unconditional love, bad day on the diamond, no worrys I come home and there are 3 hairy furballs to love me right out of it.....If it came down to saving my neighbors life or my dogs life I of course I would save my neighbors life so there may be some middle ground between PETA and other things.

What is the problem with PETA, they are like everybody else. Some inconsistencies in their beliefs,leather i.e., but they have some points that i consider worth looking at.....If they were politicans they would be a PAC but there not so they are considered lunatic fringe....

On the lemming issue I love dogs , more than most humans, yet still consider myself an independent thinker. i was in the 12 % who originally said attacking Iraq maybe not such a good idea.........coming from a pro military and pro play the game background .

I have been looking for an excuse to take back for fall Sundays for awhile and know I got it.....
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Old Tue Jul 31, 2007, 03:02pm
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I have been looking for an excuse to take back for fall Sundays for awhile and know I got it.....
From this I guess that physical cruelty to / beatings of human beings was not sufficient justification, but dog fighting is. Thanks for making my point, your protestations of not having a PETA mindset or being a lemming notwithstanding.

I have a couple of dogs, and I care for them deeply, but if I had to choose between rescuing a human being from a building fire and letting my dog die, the choice would not even be close, even if it was a person I personally did not like.
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Old Tue Jul 31, 2007, 04:15pm
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Gotta work on your delivery, Mike.
Or be more selective in my audience
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Old Tue Jul 31, 2007, 05:21pm
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Or be more selective in my audience
Doh!

Anyway, it's amazing the relationship that dogs and humans share. While I'm no religious or spiritual person, almost bordering on atheist, I find that it was almost as though humans and dogs were destined to be friends with each other. As such, I find it deplorable that anyone would even consider dogfighting an acceptable activity.

The reason I think this story hits a little harder than the NBA scandal is actually twofold. Dogs have always been viewed as sort of the "innocent victims" in this whole ordeal, and an innocent victim story always tugs at the heartstrings a little harder than other stories. Secondly, while I personally have nothing against gambling and think it should be legalized in all states, there are those who disagree. For them, the victims who are focused upon the most in the NBA referee scandal are the gamblers, and gambling is still looked upon as some sort of scourge upon society (at least, it most certainly as looked upon as such down here in NC).

As a result, more heartstrings will be tugged upon by an innocent victim crime allegedly committed by a high profile NFL player who is entrusted by the public with his ridiculously huge salary than some referee fudging a few scores, screwing over the "evil gamblers."

However, to be fair, let's keep in mind that one, all-important word in our society: allegedly. While it seems highly probable that Vick is going to be convicted in this matter, he still deserves his day in court, no matter how despicable the crime.
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I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again.

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Old Tue Jul 31, 2007, 07:01pm
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humans and dogs were destined to be friends with each other

The origin of dogs contains some mysteries, but they were probably bred within the past 15,000 years from the few wild canines—wolves—that were tame enough to hang around people and accept scraps of meat. The various breeds of dog were further bred for certain characteristics. (This has nothing to do with evolution. Dogs are not "evolved" wolves. In the wild, dogs and wolves would mate and produce fertile offspring, and the recognizable breeds of dog that we know would soon disappear.)

Recently a guy bred some wild foxes, choosing in each generation the calmest and friendliest of the litters, and after a few generations he hit the "tipping" point and was clearly producing dogs, not foxes.

If stray dogs run wild, they will revert to their instincts and form a pack. They can then be extremely dangerous. The pit bulls and Rottweilers that Vick and his friends bet on were of course bred for their fighting characteristics, the pit bulls specifically for fighting other dogs, the Rottweilers (I think) for characteristics that would be useful in the military.

As for PETA, they think that chicken farming is morally no different from gassing Jews, and their spokespeople have said as much on several occasions ("no moral difference between Frank Perdue and Heinrich Himmler"). Ingrid Newkirk, a cofounder of PETA, said, "A rat is a dog is a boy." She also said she hopes that foot-in-mouth disease or mad cow disease or whatever spreads to humans to teach us all a lesson for eating animals.

PETA activists once prevented a clothing store from putting out ant traps. (They did this by getting to the airhead woman who had inherited a controlling interest in the shopping mall that housed the store.) According to PETA, the store could move the ants to somewhere else, but not "murder" them.

Maybe PETA activists go after fur instead of leather because it's more fun to harass rich women than it is biker gangs.

Not too far from me lives a screwball who must be in the Animal Rights Hall of Fame. He says that even if we could cure cancer by killing one rat, it would be "speciesist" to do so. He also recommends that people have sex with animals, that "love" between a human and an animal would be healthy for both. He thinks that parents who find caring for a disabled child too difficult should be allowed to kill their child up to one year of age. He teaches ethics at Princeton University for several hundred thousand dollars a year. So if you're thinking of dropping $40,000+ a year for your kid to be Ivy League . . .
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Old Wed Aug 01, 2007, 01:41am
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Doh!

However, to be fair, let's keep in mind that one, all-important word in our society: allegedly. While it seems highly probable that Vick is going to be convicted in this matter, he still deserves his day in court, no matter how despicable the crime.
so you're saying, if the dog won't sit, we must acquit? Heaven help us all.
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Old Wed Aug 01, 2007, 06:25am
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so you're saying, if the dog won't sit, we must acquit? Heaven help us all.
Now, that's weak!

Stop trying to force the humor, it comes often enough
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Old Wed Aug 01, 2007, 07:19am
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so you're saying, if the dog won't sit, we must acquit? Heaven help us all.
Not at all! I just believe every man has his day in court. After that, fry the f***er.
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