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LL vs ASA
I need your help. I’ve been assigned a few Williamsport tournament games. I have one page sheets which describe the differences between ASA rules and PONY, PAL, etc. but cant’ find one for Williamsport. Do any of you have one or know were I can find one?
I’ve been told that they have a special rule for walks. Not the LBR. If a batter walks and rounds 1B she must continue on to 2B or is called out. She can not stop and return to 1B. Anyone familiar with this? Thanks!
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Tue Jul 03, 2007, 09:30pm
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bigsig,
Good luck. This has been discussed here several times. The rule differences would take a small book not just a few pages. L.L. Is OBR based. It is essentially L.L. Baseball played with different pitching rules and leaving early penalties. Leaving early is even different for individual age groups. Obstruction, interference, substitution and safety have major differences. You will need to get a L.L. rule book. In the rear they have the rule differences between regular season and the International tournament. No Flex/Dp, no courtesy runners but SPR's, no adults warming up pitchers, catchers must wear helmets not only to warm up pitchers but during infield and outfield, no illegal bat list, helmets cannot have stickers, writing or any modifications at all, different penalties for illegal substitution and so on. Paul
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Wed Jul 04, 2007, 12:15pm
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Wed Jul 04, 2007, 12:13pm
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Wed Jul 04, 2007, 12:27pm
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Two things, and no, I'm not trying to be a smart-***, but... 1) Are you registered with these other associations and, if not, what type of insurance do you carry? 2) How does someone get assigned a tournament who does needs to rely on rule differences from other associations to call the game? Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt your are qualified, just curious though how this works.
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Wed Jul 04, 2007, 12:59pm
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How does someone get assigned a tournament who needs to rely on rule differences from other associations to call the game?
Around here, I don't think there is such a thing as a purely LL umpire. The official LL tournaments are done by ASA/Fed guys who for insurance purposes send in a membership fee to LL. (Frankly, horrible pay, long games, poor softball. All the good players are on travel teams.) The umps may have to fill out a take-home open-book test, but I doubt they study much. However, since the coaches don't know the rules either, that hasn't been a problem (yet). Next week, our ASA guys will be doing the state Babe Ruth tournament, as we did last year. The BR rules, which have NOTHING to do with Fed or ASA, are in more of a pamphlet than a rule book. The sections covering baserunning, OBS, INT, awards, etc., are taken verbatim from the OBR book. (They did add a rule against a deliberate crash at home, however.) All bats that meet standards for length, weight, and diameter are legal. A Miken Ultra is legal. Again, you send in a fee so that you're "official." One umpire on the field has to have sent in a fee. Last year, no one, including the TD, could say for sure whether the pitcher had to keep both feet on the rubber, as per ASA. The rule pamphlet doesn't cover it.
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Wed Jul 04, 2007, 05:41pm
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Okay...time for another rant about LL 'Softball'....
LL gets a break in several ways as far as softball is concerned: That magical name : Tons of parents and local governments get suckered in by that Name. They figure that it MUST be good - because it is Little League; never mind that most of the communities in this area, the girls program is a poor second cousin to the boys. One community about 20 years ago got so fed up with that, they went and disenfranchised themselves from LL, and set themselves up as an ASA JO based organization. Our local ASA president also happened to be state UIC at he time, and was very instrumental in helping them get umps at reasonable fees, etc. Today, the league is loaded with cash, and gives their kids such a BIG advantage when they start school ball (NY hs softball follows ASA JO rules for the most part). Fields: I dont know about anywhere else, but LL here has a STRANGLEHOLD on any decent fields - sometimes even when they are 'municipal' or 'town' parks - alternate leagues, tournaments have to BEG to use those fields..and usually end up paying through the nose to use school fields - none of which are cared for very well after school ends... and you are so right greymule - the play level in most LL around here is BRUTAL - very few kids play either school ball and/or travel teams participate..and when they do, they do not hang around very long.. ok...some of the steam has escaped...thanks for listening.... 
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