trailing BR to first

[shipwreck]

My UIC didn't want us trailing the BR down the first base line even with nobody on base. He is a very good and respected umpire. He does many D1 games every year.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

My UIC didn't want us trailing the BR down the first base line even with nobody on base. He is a very good and respected umpire. He does many D1 games every year.

Thats probably because he is smart and there is no reason for it other than appearance. Our UIC unfortunately does want us to.

[Andy]

Wade and WMB - I was taught to trail down the 1B line with a runner on first, help with the pulled foot, swipe tag if necessary, then go diagonal across the infield to the 3B line to get an angle on a possible play at 3B, then close the distance right up the line, adjusting left or right as necessary.

I'm big and slow, but I can get to the line for the angle, then close the distance so that by the time I make a call, I'm right there.

[NCASAUmp]

If there are no runners on, I trail the BR to 1B. Usually about 5-7' inside the foul line. I usually stop at the start of the running lane, plant, and get a good look at F3's foot.

With a runner on 1B, I go towards the PP and try to get a good angle for a potential double play.

Just to clarify in case the mechanics for FP or Modified are different - I do ASA SP only. C? What C?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Andy

Wade and WMB - I was taught to trail down the 1B line with a runner on first, help with the pulled foot, swipe tag if necessary, then go diagonal across the infield to the 3B line to get an angle on a possible play at 3B, then close the distance right up the line, adjusting left or right as necessary.

I'm big and slow, but I can get to the line for the angle, then close the distance so that by the time I make a call, I'm right there.

A quick trail is no big deal.. with an understanding that your priority is the advancing runner, not the sacrifice at 1B, which is already covered by the BU.

The importance of the entire play (hit & run, bunt, slap etc) rests with whether they hold them @2 or advance to 3... or defense gets the outs.

Getting on top of a developing play at 3B is a very high priority play, if you are trailing the runner so far that the best you can do is a "good angle" at 3B, you trailed to far. IMO, you should be right there at 3B (5-6 ft at most) for the call or you didnt do it right.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

A quick trail is no big deal.. with an understanding that your priority is the advancing runner, not the sacrifice at 1B, which is already covered by the BU.

The importance of the entire play (hit & run, bunt, slap etc) rests with whether they hold them @2 or advance to 3... or defense gets the outs.

Getting on top of a developing play at 3B is a very high priority play, if you are trailing the runner so far that the best you can do is a "good angle" at 3B, you trailed to far. IMO, you should be right there at 3B (5-6 ft at most) for the call or you didnt do it right.

so a possible play at third base is "more" important than a missed tag or pulled foot at first base?

Discuss.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

so a possible play at third base is "more" important than a missed tag or pulled foot at first base?

Discuss.

It has little to no importance to the PU. Dont forget, 1B is already covered by BU.. so that is equal to its importance, it already IS covered by a competent, trained, and certified sports official.. the "trail" theory advocates double coverage for lame reason.

Lets examine a sample play to illustrate my point...

WheelsR1@1B 0 outs - Runner goes on the pitch; slap and run blooper to shallow right.

PU and BU follow the book, PU trailing the runner up 1B BU hooking in from B, great view of 1B.

R9 fields the ball and shoots to F3, F3 makes the catch, PU sees the pulled foot, which by the way - stalls his movement to B3. BU calls the out or sees the pulled foot himself. Meanwhile, back on the rest of game, while you are over there with BU patting yourselves on your fine coverage of 1/4th of the bases.. R1 has already rounded second and is full steam to 3B.

Now even in-shape speedsters like Steve M and myself (let alone most other umpires) would have trouble to even get somewhat of a decent call .. because guess what, you aint going to get close to that play.. best you can hope for is an "angle"..

but lucky, 1B was double covered.. the IMPORTANT UNCOVERED play is 3B.



3B needs a good fair call, its going to be a bang bang slide play and you need to be there to be perfect on it.. not "with an ok angle".
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Where is wade?

I'm on that call at 3B - sacrificing over coverage of 1B in a 2 man system for a good look on the lead runner - the most important to the game and to both teams.

2 man is deficient of course, and requires some sacrifices. This is one.

ASA and NFHS is wrong on their coverage with Runner on.

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With Runner on 1B and a hit, PU (assuming catch / fair /foul responsibilities are met) moves Out to the left of the F2 and slightly in, then moves immediately towards 3B keeping careful eye on his responsibility, the advancing lead runner and ready to be ON TOP of the play at 3B.

To go farther, BU ready to rotate home is an excellent option which should be implemented in 2 man.

[Harshblue]

Its unlikely the R1 would hoof it to 3rd and probably would be sliding into 2nd but I see your point .
In this situation I usually go 3 or 4 steps up the 1st base line , move to my left looking at a possible play at 2nd then move towards 3rd which at most would be 7 or 8 steps .