What's the call? . . . 911

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by greymule

11. The police say that since they didn't see the attack, they can't make any arrests. It is up to the player who was attacked to press charges, line up witnesses, etc.

The only explanation I can come up with for this BS from the police is they are on the payroll of the gang.

Police can't investigate, find witnesses, etc., unless they WITNESS the crime??? If this was true, virtually no crime would EVER be investigated. What BS. Somebody ought to complain to the state AG about this crooked police dept.

[BoomerSooner]

I do know that the issue with the police being unable to make arrests in certain situations is real. It has something to do with what type of crime it is (i.e. misdemeanor vs. felony). For example, you can witness someone run a red light, but the police can't issue a citation unless they witnessed it. This is an example that my best friend's father-in-law (a police officier) gave me. I don't think that assalt and battery constitutes one of those types of crimes, although it may vary from state to state.

As far as my stance on using a bat in defense that some critized, I don't want to have to use a bat, but if necessary I would. If they weren't using deadly weapons then my use of a bat wouldn't be easily defended. Also, I'm not going to actively pursue a fight with someone with a knife even if I have a bat, hence my distance defence. I'm not Chuck Norris, so even with a bat, I'm avoiding anyone with a knife that might want to stick it in me.

[IRISHMAFIA]

911: What is your emergency?
Caller: There is a riot at the ballpark. There is a gang and, I'm not sure, but they may have weapons.

Key word: weapons.

There will be an armed response by any officer worth their salt.

So, one officer is in trouble because he actually had the gall to move to stop an assault in progress? If I'm the players, I'm beating on the city/county/state D.A./A.G. or whichever dept. is responsible for the public demanding, at least, an investigation especially if this involves members of a known gang. BTW, the next office to be visited would be the local newspaper.

[CecilOne]

It's a good thing we live in a civilized country.

In an uncivilized country, anarchistic gangs would rule and intimidate the rest of the population including civil authorities.

[greymule]

Somebody ought to complain to the state AG about this crooked police dept.

Last August, our state AG had to resign when it was revealed that she was a corrupt scofflaw who had ignored a ream of traffic tickets (at least 12 speeding tickets, four bench warrants issued for her arrest, and three license suspensions) and had used her influence to gain favorable treatment for her live-in boyfriend after he had been found to be driving with improper registration on a suspended license. She showed up in her state car and saw to it that her boyfriend was allowed to drive home. A special prosecutor found that she had violated state ethics laws.

Her status as a scofflaw was revealed by the newspapers before the governor appointed her. (This is Jon Corzine, the ultra-rich ultra-liberal who succeeded the guy who used to troll turnpike restrooms in search of sex.)

I don't know who the AG is now, but there's no reason to believe the new one is much of an improvement. One reason NJ is so corrupt is that so many of the state offices that are elective in other states are appointive in NJ. Therefore, the governor repays political debts by using his power to appoint cronies, placate minority groups, pay proper respect to his higher-ups, etc. In the Garden State, it's well known that you "pay to play."

And Newark, Camden, and Trenton are high on the list of "most dangerous cities in America."

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by greymule

Somebody ought to complain to the state AG about this crooked police dept.

Last August, our state AG had to resign when it was revealed that she was a corrupt scofflaw who had ignored a ream of traffic tickets (at least 12 speeding tickets, four bench warrants issued for her arrest, and three license suspensions) and had used her influence to gain favorable treatment for her live-in boyfriend after he had been found to be driving with improper registration on a suspended license. She showed up in her state car and saw to it that her boyfriend was allowed to drive home. A special prosecutor found that she had violated state ethics laws.

Her status as a scofflaw was revealed by the newspapers before the governor appointed her. (This is Jon Corzine, the ultra-rich ultra-liberal who succeeded the guy who used to troll turnpike restrooms in search of sex.)

I don't know who the AG is now, but there's no reason to believe the new one is much of an improvement. One reason NJ is so corrupt is that so many of the state offices that are elective in other states are appointive in NJ. Therefore, the governor repays political debts by using his power to appoint cronies, placate minority groups, pay proper respect to his higher-ups, etc. In the Garden State, it's well known that you "pay to play."

And Newark, Camden, and Trenton are high on the list of "most dangerous cities in America."

I hear they want you for PR director!

[Chess Ref]

After reading about the lack of response by the police I am grateful for where I live.

About 3 months ago had two teenagers walking around the neighborhood, older established hood where everybody knows everybody, looking into car windows. I didn't recoginize them so I call local PD for a courtesy cruise-by, Lord you would have thought I said Osama Bin Laden was roaming the hood. I got 4 local cop cars, 1 a canine unit, within 2 minutes. I can only imagine the response if I said there was a gang roaming the street.

[Al]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

After reading about the lack of response by the police I am grateful for where I live.

About 3 months ago had two teenagers walking around the neighborhood, older established hood where everybody knows everybody, looking into car windows. I didn't recoginize them so I call local PD for a courtesy cruise-by, Lord you would have thought I said Osama Bin Laden was roaming the hood. I got 4 local cop cars, 1 a canine unit, within 2 minutes. I can only imagine the response if I said there was a gang roaming the street.

Sounds like your neighborhood has a Barney Fife in control.

Nothin' like fun at the ole' ball park! ...Al

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

After reading about the lack of response by the police I am grateful for where I live.

About 3 months ago had two teenagers walking around the neighborhood, older established hood where everybody knows everybody, looking into car windows. I didn't recoginize them so I call local PD for a courtesy cruise-by, Lord you would have thought I said Osama Bin Laden was roaming the hood. I got 4 local cop cars, 1 a canine unit, within 2 minutes. I can only imagine the response if I said there was a gang roaming the street.

Same in my town. Two guys were smoking pot in their car in my apartment complex's parking lot at about 2 AM. Suddenly, two squad cars showed up and parked behind them. When it was all over, we had a total of 5 squad cars involved, one of which was the K-9 unit from the neighboring town.

All that over two guys smoking a joint.

Maybe y'all should move down here instead! Forget Jersey! I'll even get you hooked up with calling some ball down here.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

It's a good thing we live in a civilized country.

In an uncivilized country, anarchistic gangs would rule and intimidate the rest of the population including civil authorities.

Sarcastic irony ... one of my favorite forms of humor!

[greymule]

Maybe y'all should move down here instead!

North Carolina is real nice, but when my responsibilities in NJ are over, I'm moving to Alabama.

The incident at the ballfield produced a cultural disconnect. To suburban Americans living relatively peaceful, law-abiding lives, a gang attack on a bunch of guys playing softball is a serious crime that must be punished severely. To the gang members, it's just another day.

And to the police, accustomed to Trenton's murders and armed robberies, well . . . nobody's dead, nobody's even in the hospital. So what's the big deal? And they're juveniles anyway. The police know that if they arrest one of these kids, several months from now a juvenile court judge—acting "in the interests" of the "child"—will agree to drop 50 of the 60 charges the kid has piled up and place him on probation for the other 10.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by greymule

Maybe y'all should move down here instead!

North Carolina is real nice, but when my responsibilities in NJ are over, I'm moving to Alabama.

The incident at the ballfield produced a cultural disconnect. To suburban Americans living relatively peaceful, law-abiding lives, a gang attack on a bunch of guys playing softball is a serious crime that must be punished severely. To the gang members, it's just another day.

And to the police, accustomed to Trenton's murders and armed robberies, well . . . nobody's dead, nobody's even in the hospital. So what's the big deal? And they're juveniles anyway. The police know that if they arrest one of these kids, several months from now a juvenile court judge—acting "in the interests" of the "child"—will agree to drop 50 of the 60 charges the kid has piled up and place him on probation for the other 10.

All the more reason to go after granny and the other thug parents.

Well, if you change your mind, I'll be here. We'll get you hooked up.

[BuggBob]

Dang! I don't know about the rest of you, but my grandmother was the head cook / field doctor / book keeper for a logging camp in the remote wilderness some where in the Dakotas. While she could have formed a posse to protect me her beloved grandchild, she most likely would have just beaten up my attackers herself. BUT when she found out I was at fault and had lied to her -- let's just say there is not a place in the entire United States that I could have hidden to avoid her wrath.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Same in my town. Two guys were smoking pot in their car in my apartment complex's parking lot at about 2 AM. Suddenly, two squad cars showed up and parked behind them. When it was all over, we had a total of 5 squad cars involved, one of which was the K-9 unit from the neighboring town.

All that over two guys smoking a joint.

Maybe y'all should move down here instead! Forget Jersey! I'll even get you hooked up with calling some ball down here.

Yeah, but what he's not telling you is that they weren't there to arrest them, but.............

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

All the more reason to go after granny and the other thug parents.

Well, if you change your mind, I'll be here. We'll get you hooked up.

Actually, that is not a bad idea. Can you say "conspiracy to commit murder"? If she provided the instrument (JDs) and with the other adults offered specific direction, a decent DA could actually do some good.

But don't worry about the police in NJ. It will get better now they don't need to keep an eye out for Tony and the Bada Bing crowd. Oh, what a minute, that is the police dept.